The Bible - Man's Instruction Manual

[Bro.Tan]

On 1/22/2021 at 12:51 PM, Josheb said:

Great. Let's move on with salient matters. 

The Bible is first and foremost about God and His Son, who is the only way to the father and any instruction the Bible provides for humanity starts and ends there. 

Given the truth and veracity of the above statement and that of the Bible as "instruction manual," 

 

Why does God save?

You have to ask him that. That's the Father will, a few time Jesus prayed and Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.  (Luke 22:42 ). Like I said before, it's all about God (Jesus) to us. But to God (Jesus) it's all about his creation and will. 

 

 

 

[Bro.Tan]

18 hours ago, Josheb said:

I have. However, this is your op and I am asking you. And I am asking you because it is relevant to the premise, "The Bible is man's instruction manual." 

And as I said before, the answer, "I do not know," is a fine and acceptable answer it if it honest. 

That's sorta correct. All the bells and whistles are unnecessary but they're not bad, either. 

 

God saves because it is His will to do so. 

 

However, scripture does tell us a little more than that, Bro.Tan. The answer(s) scripture gives is very important if we're going to discuss the Bible as humanity's instruction manual. or at least an instruction manual for the redeemed and regenerate . So - I am NOT trying to start a fight - but I think it important for me to point out to you that this is the thrid lapse in your effort to assert this op. 

The Bible is first and foremost about God, not man. That was left out. 
Jesus is the way in and into the kingdom, not the Bible or the Bible alone. That too was left out. 
The "why" for God saving is only partially known. That too was left out. 

 

Ephesians 2 tells us we are saved by grace, through faith, for works!!! 

Not saved by works.
Not saved by faith. 

Saved by grace, through faith, for works; and not just any works. The works for which we have been saved were planned in advance of our salvation for us to perform.  After all, what good is a salvation without purpose? God is, after all a fruit-bearing God. This begs a very, very important question:

 

What are those works????!! 

 

Don't you think if the Bible is man's instruction manual it it might have a little something to say about those pre-planned works? What they are and how they are done? 

Don't get distracted. I've just re-read through the posts and realized several of my earlier question remain unanswered. I'm asking a new question. 

 

Don't you think if the Bible is man's instruction manual it it might have a little something to say about those pre-planned works? What they are and how they are done?

 

I'll address other Bible-informed to the "Why does God save?" after the answer to  that question. 

 

Don't you think if the Bible is man's instruction manual it it might have a little something to say about those pre-planned works? What they are and how they are done?

I'm just a Bible Christian, I put forth the uncut word of God out of the Bible KJV. Lets stop this right now, because we don't agree completely. This been established already as you can see the conflict will began.

(So - I am NOT trying to start a fight - but I think it important for me to point out to you that this is the thrid lapse in your effort to assert this op.)

The only book I use is the BIble, and recorded History for the most part. My focus is salvation, "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling". (Philippians 2:12).

Like Paul says in (1 Timothy 2:11-15) "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 

Don't ask me a question knowing you already have the answer.  I fellowship in the word of God by subject and title, scriptures and verses. I ask you to use scriptures and verses when discussing the word of God. But you don't, I didn't write back saying, I am NOT trying to start a fight - but I think it important for me to point out to you to use scriptures and verses. Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. This is why it's important to do so, follow these instruction and everyone will be on the same page.

Now, you said earlier that the KJV Bible have flaws, well I have ran across some typos myself. But in other places the BIble clean itself up. You like to read from other books about Jesus and combine books, looking for information, concerning this or that.  I'm not interesting in all that. I may not agree with you on that part, but I respect you and people who have their own journey with God.  peace in the name of Jesus.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bro.Tan]

22 hours ago, Josheb said:

This is a discussion forum. Yes? I assume you understand the function, purpose, and nature of an internet discussion forum is to discuss things. You understand this, yes? 

 

You understand also that no one knows anyone here, yes? I do not know you personally and you do not know me personally. The only thing we know about each other is what is posted and we will serve ourselves and the other best if w do not make assumptions about the person beyond what is specifically posted, Yes? 

 

Assuming the above two concerns are answered in the affirmative, then you also understand when anyone makes the effort to initiate a discussion by posting an Opening Post they do so with an implicit understanding the content of the Opening Post will be... discussed, and it might not be discussed as the author anticipates. 

Yes? 

And no one makes you post but you. 

Yes? 

So if you don't want to discuss something someone posts then don't! 

Alternatively, receive what affirmation is posted. Consider what critique is posted and do so as a means of furthering mutual learning, unity, growth, maturity, and Christ-likeness.

Yes? 

So if you want to stop right now then just do so. I will understand. I stop posting to conversations to which I have nothing further to contribute on a daily basis. It's a good practice. One I commend and affirm. 

 

Because you do not "put forth the uncut word of God out of the Bible," Bro.Tan. This is the reason I have posted to you. There's nothing automatically inherently wrong with what you've have posted but it is incomplete. 

It is incomplete in some very basic and important ways that warrant clarification, discussion, and amendment. And so far you've done well. We have not disputed the points I have broached. You took at is an intent to start a fight when it was not and having realized that mistake were able - commendably - to acknowledge the theo-centric nature of scripture, the soteriological exceptionalism of Jesus, and the impetus of God's will and purpose in salvation. 

Each step of the way I have commended our places of agreement. 

Why do you think it is otherwise? 

 

• The Bible is about God first and foremost. 
  Jesus is the only way in and into God's kingdom.
  God's will is the impetus for salvation.

 

We agree!

 

Scripture says God saved us for works He'd already planned for us to perform. Is there disagreement with this? If not then why not say a good, simple, hearty, "I agree, Josh"? Why tell me we disagree when we have not? 

 

 

This will be good for you, Bro.Tan. Learn to agree. Learn to negotiate disagreement to find unity with God's word. Otherwise internet discussion boards will be challenging. 

1 Corinthians 11:18-19 KJV
"For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.  For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you." 

1 Corinthians 11:18-19 NAS
"For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you; and in part I believe it.  For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you."

1 Corinthians 11:18-19 ESV
"For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part,  for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized." 

 

Isaiah 1:18
"Come now, and let us reason together," Says the LORD..."

 

Used well, forums can be a very godly endeavor. If you're gonna post OPs in an internet discussion board learn to do so diversely. God brought you here for a reason and so far it's you and me in this op. 

 

In the scriptures its written in Isaiah 28: 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

It's nothing wrong with adding truth to the word of God, but I have lesson that focus on different subjects. The Bible is a big book, it always much to say. Actually I could of add this scripture in the lesson, it also I part of instruction. This is a part of the formula of understanding the word of God. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bro.Tan]

22 hours ago, Josheb said:

Would you rather I tell you plainly where the errors lay, give you scripture proving the error, mistake, or lapse in hopes you won't get defensive and attack me worse than has already happened? 

 

I can do that if that is your preference. 

 

Right now the problem is one of an overarching matter: the absence of important details. I can make a short list of things that have been left out of this op....

 

...if you think you can tolerate, engage, and discuss the items on that list without getting defensive and attacking me with negative attributions about my motives. 

 

The next time you post on the Bible as God's instruction manual for humanity I trust you will include information saying the Bible is first and foremost about God and His Son who is the only way to God and we are saved by His grace based upon His will for works He has planned in advance for us to perform because those are all salient to the Bible as our instruction manual, and including that information will improve the discussion. 

Where you found adversity I intended aid. 

Happens a lot in the internet 

 

So if you don't want me to ask questions to which I already know the answer in my effort to discover what you know then I will gladly either post a couple of other concerns I have in more plain manner or ask you to tell me how you would like me to respond to this op. It's basic thesis is good but incomplete. 

Do you understand it's basic thesis is good but incomplete?

If so, then maybe you could trade roles with me and volunteer what you think needs adding. I'd love to read that. 

Proverbs 27:17-18
"Iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.  He who tends the fig tree will eat its fruit, and he who cares for his master will be honored."

People often quote the first half and ignore the last half. The former alone requires friction. The latter alone does not; t might entail some pruning or it might entail some feeding. 

The Bible is our instruction manual .

I'm always interested in what people have to say, concerning the word of God, I just ask, use scriptures and verses. Like Paul says in  1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DeighAnn]

6 minutes ago, Bro.Tan said:

In the scriptures its written in Isaiah 28: 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

It's nothing wrong with adding truth to the word of God, but I have lesson that focus on different subjects. The Bible is a big book, it always much to say. Actually I could of add this scripture in the lesson, it also I part of instruction. This is a part of the formula of understanding the word of God. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am sorry to have interrupted your posting. 

Maybe you could find out how to start a blog here for the 'ewes' instead !!



Some times though, you just need to give a REFRESHER COURSE !! 



Possibly something like this, 

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

 

Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Matthew 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

Matthew 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

 Who does hinder you?

Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Galatians 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God

 

2189  echthra
emnity, hostility, alienation 

2054 eris
strife, contention, wrangling  
literally quarrel, strife 
PROPERLY A READINESS TO QUARREL (HAVING A CONTENTIOUS SPIRIT)  AFFECTION FOR DISPUTE

2052  eritheia
rivalry, hence ambition
acting for one's own gain, regardless of the discord (strife) it causes

1370  dichostasia
standing apart, dissension, division
used of divisions which wrongly separate people into pointless factions

139 hairesis
 choice, opinion
a strong, distinctive opinion, stresses the PERSONAL ASPECT OF COICE , highlights the subjective (individual) nature of a specific (divisive) opinion
 

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Galatians 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.


 

[Bro.Tan]

22 hours ago, Josheb said:

Would you mind clarifying that? 

If you're saying there is nothing wrong with adding God's truth to God's truth, or adding greater aspects of God's truth to an understanding of God's truth then I wholeheartedly agree. But if that is intended to say any truth can be added to God's word I'll have to disagree. Partly because all truth is God's truth; He and He alone is the author of truth. 

 

So while it is true the Bible is man's instruction manual we must take care to remember the Bible is first and foremost about God (Gen. 1:1) and Jesus is the way in the kingdom (Jn. 14:6) and any and all instruction the Bible provides exists solely in those contexts, or in the contexts of those additional truths. Furthermore, the Bible is about God and His purpose in creation (Rom. 8:28, 9:14-16), not specifically our salvation but His (we do not own it; it is His not ours), and its instruction pertains first and foremost to the works for which we have been saved - works God planed for us to perform in advance of His having saved (Eph. 2:10),

So now let's focus on specifically salvation, because this part need a little attention to. Because it's and error to not full focus on salvation, never remove the fear that people need according to the Bible. This is why Paul says in "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling". (Philippians 2:12)

Let's take a look at something else Paul said in (1 Cor. 9:24-27) (v.24) Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. (v.25) And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown: but we an incorruptible. Paul says that when you run in a race every body is running for a prize. But this prize that he is referring to is eternal life, that’s what he means by an incorruptible, he’s talking about an incorruptible body, a heavenly body. (v.26) I therefore so run, not as uncertainly, so fight, not as one that beateth the air: (v.27) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. You see Paul knew exactly what was going on that why he says he has to bring his body under subjection. Under subjection to what? To God’s Law, Paul knew that if he didn’t continue to keep Gods law that even after he had preached to many that he himself could still become a castaway. This doesn’t sound like Paul thinks that he has guarantee salvation. 

Don’t allow yourself to be deceived into believing that once you believe in the Lord that your work is nearly finished, it has just started.

Paul says Study to show thyself approved: "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15) You have to put this word of God right, which means you have to study.

 

 

 

 

22 hours ago, Josheb said:

His having brought us from death into life (John 5:24). Even Christ's being known as the perfect sacrifice was a foreknow before the creation of the world (1 Pet. 1:20).

The folks He has not regenerated can read the Bible and obey its "instruction," but fleshly effort is not the instruction of man's instruction manual (Isa. 64:6; Rom. 8:8; 2 Cor. 5:16; 1 Pet. 4:2). That would be an example of adding human truth, or fleshly truth to the Word of God. There is inherently something wrong with that. 

 

It might help to understand the Bible simply as one "part" of God's instruction manual that also contains creation itself (Rom. 1:18ff), The living word, Jesus the Anointed One (Jn. 1:1-13), the written word, the Bible ((Ex. 24:12; 2 Pet. 3:16), and rhema or the illumination we receive from God's Holy Spirit (Jn. 15:26; 2 Pet. 1:21). These truths are also interwoven with the Bible as God's "Word," His Truth..... according to the instruction of the instruction manual. 

 

 

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I'm going to have to ask you to post the whole verses out like I do. If I can do it you can to, let's not take the easy way out, it's just copy and paste. Those other verses are of course the truth, I have other lessons that focus more on those views of the word of God. I believe that the Bible is all about Jesus and his creation.

Let's quickly take a look at what Jesus says in Matthew 19: 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.  See...Exodus 20: 1-17. This scripture I didn't post because it's very long. But it's in the lesson here, posted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bro.Tan]

15 hours ago, Josheb said:

Hmmm... what it the point of that? 

Anyone can copy and paste scripture. Not everyone will render it correctly. For example, Jesus did indeed say no one was good but God yet we also understand Jesus was without sin and a man who knew no sin and a man who did in fact "keep the commandments." There was a recently posted op in which the "goodness" of men was discussed and debated. You might enjoy reading through the views posted there. 

Philippians 2:8
"And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death on a cross."

Romans 5:18
"For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous."

Hebrews 5:8 
"Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered."

2 Corinthians 5:21 
"He made Him who knew no sin to be sin in our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."

Jesus was good. Sinful humans are not good. 

In addition, we know from Paul that mere obedience to the commandments alone does not bring justification or righteousness. Conversely, many Christians believe the Law of Moses is completely abrogated and no longer relevant to any Christian in any way at any time even though 1) Paul uniformly limited that abrogation solely to the Law as a means of justification and righteousness and 2) all the New Testament writers often and repeatedly cited, quoted, referenced, and applied the Law to the redeemed and regenerate readers whether Jew or Gentile!  

Romans 3:21-31
"But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,  being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;  whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;  for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.  Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,  since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.  Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law." 

And as we look ate Paul's narratives in the next two chapters of Romans and Galatians 3 we find the same qualifiers: justification and righteousness. No other annulment is asserted. Neither is faith denied. Neither is obedience denied. James wrote from a slightly different context but he agreed. 

Examples of the OT laws being applied to post-Calvary and post-Pentecost regenerate believers in the resurrected Christ can be found in the Beatitudes and the epistles in cases such as, 

1 Corinthians 9:1-14 KJV
"Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?  If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.  Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,  Have we not power to eat and to drink?  Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?  Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?  Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?  Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?  For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?  Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.  If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?  If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.  Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?  Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel."

This Law from Dt. 25:4 is asserted at least three times in the New Testament! Other examples of the Law being applied toward obedience and "working out our salvation," are, 

Hebrews 3:7-19
"Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,  Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:  When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.  Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.  So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)  Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.  But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.  For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;  While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.  For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.  But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?  And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?  So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."

and 

James 2:8-13
"If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:  But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.  For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.  For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.  So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.  For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment."

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1 Peter 3:8-13
"Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:  Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.  For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:  Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.  For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.  And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?"

And the apostle John was the most prolific. There are scores of OT references in his gospel, letters, and prophesy. The book of Revelation alone contains more that 340 OT references. Nearly everything Jesus taught can be found in the OT. 

 

 

So what is the specific point you wish to make relevant to Matthew 19:16 or the Law of Exodus 20?

Exactly what Jesus says to enter in to life, keep the Commandments. That simple. see...Exodus 20: 1-17

 

 

 

 

[Bro.Tan]

16 hours ago, Josheb said:

Who do you know that believes such a thing, Bro.Tan?

Not only have I never met a Christian who believes everything is complete at conversion but I have read Augsutine, Pelagius, Luther, Erasmus, Calvin, Arminius, Wesley, Finney, Spurgeon, Walvoord, Sproul, White, Olson, Frame, and scores of others and I have never read anyone teaching "once you believe in the Lord your work is nearly finished." Never. 

So who believes that? 

This is how I said it, "Don’t allow yourself to be deceived into believing that once you believe in the Lord that your work is nearly finished, it has just started."

 

 

16 hours ago, Josheb said:

Are we now going to discuss an extreme, outlying position that few if any believe? It's okay with me if we do so but before we do so we should acknowledge the extreme and outlying nature of that view. 

And if to are referring to the the monergistic views of salvation like those of Augustine, Luther, Calvin, etc. then the idea they teach, "once you believe in the Lord your work is nearly finished." is woefully incorrect. None of those men and none of those models teach any such thing. 

 

If your reference is to something or someone else I'd like to know to whom or about what you're referring before proceeding.

Again, This is how I said it, "Don’t allow yourself to be deceived into believing that once you believe in the Lord that your work is nearly finished, it has just started." This is not a private conversation between you and me, when I put forth the word of God it goes for all who read and want to comment of course. Paul says in 2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

 

 

 

 

 

[Leonardo Von]

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