enoob57 Posted April 16, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,192 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted April 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Waggles said: We are not living in the times of the NT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted April 16, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,047 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 368 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted April 16, 2021 DOES MANS LOGICAL AND THEOLOGICAL WAYS REPLACE GODS TRUTH EPHSIANS 4:27 NEITHER GIVE PLACE TO THE devil COLOSSIANS 1:21 AND YOU THAT WERE SOMETIME ALIENATED AND ENEMIES IN YOUR MIND --BY WICKED WORKS-- YET NOW HATH HE RECONCILED --1:22-- IN THE BODY OF HIS FLESH THROUGH DEATH TO PRESENT YOU HOLY AND UNBLAMEABLE AND UNREPROVEABLE IN HIS SIGHT --1:23-- IF YOU CONTINUE -- IN THE FAITH GROUNDED AND SETTLED AND BE NOT --MOVED AWAY-- FROM THE HOPE OF THE GOSPEL WHICH YOU HEARD AND WHICH WAS PREACHED TO EVERY CREATURE WHICH IS UNDER HEAVEN WHEREOF I PAUL AM MADE A MINISTER ROMANS 13:11 AND THAT KNOWING THE TIME THAT NOW IT IS HIGH TIME --TO AWAKE-- OUT OF SLEEP FOR NOW IS OUR --- SALVATION NEARER --- THAN WHEN WE BELIEVED --- LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted April 16, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,047 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 368 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted April 16, 2021 UNDERSTANDING FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HEBREWS 2:1 THEREFORE WE OUGHT TO TO GIVE THE MORE EARNEST HEED TO THE THINGS WHICH WE HAVE HEARD ---LEST AT ANY TIME WE LET THEM SLIP--- 2 TIMOTHY 2:7 CONSIDER WHAT I SAY AND THE LORD GIVE THEE UNDERSTANDING IN ALL THINGS PROVERBS 21:16 THE MAN THAT WANDERETH OUT OF THE WAY OF UNDERSTANDING ---SHALL REMAIN--- IN THE CONGREGATION OF THE DEAD --- HEBREWS 10:36 FOR YOU HAVE NEED OF PATIENCE THAT AFTER YOU HAVE DONE THE WILL OF GOD YOU MIGHT RECEIVE THE PROMISE JAMES 1:12 BLESSED IS THE MAN THAT ENDURETH TEMPTATION FOR --- WHEN --- HE IS TRIED --- HE SHALL RECEIVE THE CROWN OF LIFE ---WHICH THE LORD HATH PROMISED TO THEM THAT LOVE HIM LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggles Posted May 1, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,790 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 1, 2021 47 minutes ago, AND IN THIS CORNER said: only a believer can hold firmly to Christ in the first place Populist nonsense. People believe and are saved fully; then for some people they give up on faith and become worldly forsaking their testimonies and quenching the Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul James Posted May 1, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 771 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 392 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/27/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1947 Share Posted May 1, 2021 20 hours ago, AND IN THIS CORNER said: I cannot imagine having to sit in a church classroom and have another christian talk to people the way you do...... I never said that. Why have you quoted what another member said and put my name to it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted May 2, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 2, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 11:09 AM, Open7 said: I have came across some verses in the new testament that make it sound like you can lose your salvation. Here in Hebrews 3 verses 6 and 14 below (there are other verses that give this same vibe but I can’t recall them) “But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory.” “We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.” It says ‘if indeed we hold firmly’. I know you can say you have given your life to God, but many will not hold fast, but what if they did give their life to God but never went very far with it. I figured that when your saved your saved, that’s it, but these verses concern me a little for some people I know. Can anyone help? Thanks Yes - they mean what they say. It would be cruel to warn about something that is not possible. Like warning someone not to flap their arms so fast that they would fly into outer space and run out of oxygen. That sort of warning is no what scripture engages in.. not even a little. 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again.Romans 11 makes it clear "you stand only by your faith" for the saved. Gal 5 speaks of those who have been "severed from Christ, fallen from Grace". Matt 13 warns of the stony ground that accepts the Gospel with great joy, springs to life and then later dies away. John 15 warns of "branches IN ME" -- in Christ - that do not produce fruit and then are cut off and cast into the fire. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mclees Posted May 2, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 158 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,915 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 910 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 2, 2021 4 hours ago, BobRyan said: Yes - they mean what they say. It would be cruel to warn about something that is not possible. Like warning someone not to flap their arms so fast that they would fly into outer space and run out of oxygen. That sort of warning is no what scripture engages in.. not even a little. 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again.Romans 11 makes it clear "you stand only by your faith" for the saved. Gal 5 speaks of those who have been "severed from Christ, fallen from Grace". Matt 13 warns of the stony ground that accepts the Gospel with great joy, springs to life and then later dies away. John 15 warns of "branches IN ME" -- in Christ - that do not produce fruit and then are cut off and cast into the fire. Like a man who could not walk and was healed, but remained in his chair was his healing useless? If one says i am saved and faithful to go to church every Sunday believing that is all that is expected for him to be proud was he still not worthless. How ever tradition will cast many to the fire. Iff a man had a fortune in a vault but never used it, is it not then worthless and has helped no one. The man who feared to use his talent so he buried it. it was then as a worthless thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted May 3, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2021 15 hours ago, Mike Mclees said: Iff a man had a fortune in a vault but never used it, is it not then worthless and has helped no one. The man who feared to use his talent so he buried it. it was then as a worthless thing. In Jesus' teaching it was far worse than "the money had no value for you" - it is this... "28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted May 4, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Josheb said: There are a again some subtle but important amendments to this analogy. First, remember this is a parable; it is therefore a figurative teaching, not a literal teaching. Caution should be taken interpreting it and applying it. The literal teachings of the Bible explain the figurative. Second, the treasure is not the servant's; it is the master's treasure. The argument that "the treasure is the masters" - is a focus on a detail in a parable where the parable is figurative. By pointing to that detail you are admiting that in literal teaching these details matter - however as they say in a parable "you cannot make a parable walk on all fours". So I agree it has a limit. But as in the case with all of Christ's parables the conclusion is literal. In Luke 16 the rich man and Lazarus - the conclusion is "if they do not listen to Moses they will not listen though one rises from the dead". In Matt 18 and the unforgiving servant - "so shall My Father do to each one of you if you do not forgive your brother" and the "so shall" is a reference to "forgiveness revoked". In the case of the unforgiving servant the conclusion is that the servant is cast into outer darkness - where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth as we see in Matt 13 Matthew 13:42 and they will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Quote Third, and perhaps most important, this parable is eschatological, not soteriological! All those involved are all already servants of the master. There are no non-servants in the parable. . I agree that all start out saved in His parable -- but I would point out that eschatology deals with salvation since it includes who ultimately goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Edited May 4, 2021 by BobRyan correct typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted May 4, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, Josheb said: Lastly, the entire narrative, including the parable being discussed occurs in a pre-Calvary context, not a post-sacrifice one. Jesus is speaking to Jews about Jews, not Christians about Christians. Christians follow the teaching of Christ. In Matt 28 the final commission is "9 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” The Gospel writers are teaching us what Christ commanded them... we are Christians. So yes - the teaching of Christ is very much priority one. Gal 1:6-9 there is only ONE Gospel Gal 3:8 - that Gospel was preached to Abraham Matt 17 - Moses and Elijah stand with Christ ... IN glory... BEFORE the Cross! Because Jesus is the Lamb of God slain from the foundations of the world in the sight of God who sees those things that are not as though they are. He is not limited by time and sequence. One Gospel in all of time... not one for Jews and another one for everyone else Edited May 4, 2021 by BobRyan fix typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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