Are Fossils evidence of evolution ....or are the evidence of fossils

[Sparks]

41 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

And your job is to show whether this is a real sample, and not hypothetical.

It's a real sampling.  But why would I need to prove that fact to make the point that you cannot convert it's measured values to time? 

If God created the Earth, as He claimed He did in mere days, then naturally all rocks would be the same age.  That's probably why when you measure a lava flow from 200 years ago, and yet instruments say it's as old everything else around it.   We know the flow is 200 years old, not millions.

41 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

I must have missed it. Since muscles and blood supplies are present in invertebrates (and bones aren't), it is pretty clear that these structures are not a good example of irreducible complexity.

This is just silly.  Why don't you understand that you cannot have a living thing with most of it's parts missing, and underdeveloped? 

To form something as simple as a scab on your arm takes about 100 steps for the body, of which none can be excluded.  The process is irreducible complex.  Therefore, all steps would have to exist for you to heal a wound, not a tenth of them, or a few of them that had to wait eons to eventually develop.  All 100, or you would bleed to death from the first razor nick or pin prick.

41 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

If you sincerely think animals are too dumb to try to move away from advancing flood water, then you are putting ignorance on full display.

I think humans would craft a boat, or cling to something.

41 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

What about plesiosaurs and cetaceans? I notice you haven't attempted to provide an explanation there. So smaller dinosaurs have heavier bones than mastodons and elephants? Do you have some data to back up this claim?

I have answered this more than once.  The Geologic Column appears in text books only.  Things found at a dig are not in order, though you like to pretend the Column is fact.

Fully formed birds have appeared right next to dinosaurs in the strata, and trees are seen passing through multiple strata.

41 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

You'll have to explain how this overturns scientific thought, since scientists believe birds evolved about 150 million years ago and most of the large dinosaurs died out about 65 million years ago.

Why would it matter what they believe?  Science is not speculation, it's observation.  Observation has countered their belief. 

Have you seen polystrate fossils of trees that pass right through multiple strata?  They are quite common, and yet should not exist according the theory of how the strata was made over 'millions of years.'

Of course, these trees still perfectly fit hydrologic sorting, and a great flood.

 

41 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

You are trying so hard, and I give you credit for that. It just might help to be more familiar with the data you are arguing against.

Or you should be familiar with them.  The only thing I am trying to do, is show you evolution is bunk.

 

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 minute ago, teddyv said:

So in the Creation story, God tells the original hearers and readers that he is the only God, creator of all. This is directly in conflict with the dominant cosmologies of the day.

The Book of Job is much much older than the Book of Genesis and God explains the same thing.   So we have 2 accounts by God making the same claim.

1 minute ago, teddyv said:

The Creation story tells us that the creation was very good and that humans were the image bearers of God. This too flies in the face of the contemporary creation myths and the role of humans in them.

The Creation story comes directly from the same God [I AM] [Burning Bush] [Elohim] [the WORD] to Moses himself.

 

The myth accounts are from smoking the best peyote on planet Earth!

1 minute ago, teddyv said:

Neither of these truths hinge on any scientific understanding of the natural world. None speak to physical or chemical processes.

God also did not tell man it's vital for him to understand these.   Man did so to disprove God.   Obviously, God knew man would oppose Him like we see in this very Thread.

 

[Sparks]

11 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

What if God actually created the process of evolution?

Because God is not that inefficient, and He already told you what He did.

With God, Man brought death into the world.  With Evolution, death brought man into the world.

[Sparks]

8 minutes ago, teddyv said:

Trying to move this back to a discussion on fossils, I've attached at page from a paper on a couple geological formations in a part of BC, fairly close to where I live, just as an example of what regional mapping geologists do. This stratigraphic column represents almost 1700 metres of depositional sediments, interrupted by period volcanic activity. You'll note that there are fossiliferous strata noted, which most mapping geologists will use for correlative purposes. 

There are two dates in there, based on U-Pb zircons.

(Just noticed on posting this, that the image is pretty small I'll see if I can improve that)

Cute.  Too bad it's assumptions and fiction. 

[teddyv]

2 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

The Book of Job is much much older than the Book of Genesis and God explains the same thing.   So we have 2 accounts by God making the same claim.

Source? There is no concensus on the date of Job. Many place is much later.

2 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

The Creation story comes directly from the same God [I AM] [Burning Bush] [Elohim] [the WORD] to Moses himself.

 

The myth accounts are from smoking the best peyote on planet Earth!

Which does nothing to undermine my point.

2 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

God also did not tell man it's vital for him to understand these.   Man did so to disprove God.   Obviously, God knew man would oppose Him like we see in this very Thread.

Is chemistry and physics out to disprove God? Geology is chemistry and physics. The methodology behind biological evolution and geology are the same as the others.

I'll just continue to ignore your judgmental jibes, but you probably should repent of those.

[Guest kingdombrat]

13 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

What if God actually created the process of evolution? God is still the ultimate Creator, He just created in a more intricate manner. The Genesis account definitively tells us important truths - God is Creator, God created mankind in a special way to have fellowship with Him, we are sinful and are stuck with the effects of that sin, God promised a way out of those consequences.

Accepting a 144 hour creation period is not affirmed by the Bible and is absolutely not part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If God created the process of Evolution then God failed in the [purpose] of what Natural Selection is all about.   Natural selection would have weeded out sin nature, understanding this was a weakness.   And yet, we have a sinful nature.   

[teddyv]

1 minute ago, Sparks said:

Cute.  Too bad it's assumptions and fiction. 

You use the word assumption like it's a problem.

[Sparks]

48 minutes ago, teddyv said:

For example "it's assumed by scientists that the shells traveled for 'trillions' of years, up the mountain." is a completely wrong view of tectonic processes. I am wondering at this point if you are deliberately misrepresenting the science.

No, it's just that the claims of billions of years is just as stupid as trillions, but you actually believe in billions, so my statement of trillions makes the point.

[teddyv]

Just now, Sparks said:

No, it's just that the claims of billions of years is just as stupid as trillions, but you actually believe in billions, so my statement of trillions makes the point.

I ignored the "trillions" because I know that was meant as hyperbole. It's the process you described that is fantastically incorrect. 

[Sparks]

Just now, teddyv said:

You use the word assumption like it's a problem.

It is. 

Take out a ruler that randomly assumes inches or meters, and see if it works out the way you think.  I think a space craft crashed on Mars by everyone using different measurements.

It works that way with time, too.