Are Fossils evidence of evolution ....or are the evidence of fossils

[The Barbarian]

6 hours ago, BeyondET said:

technically there is a center to the galaxy pretty much all light can been seen without science just saying if the solar system sun wasn’t formed there still would be a evening and morning sunrise and sunset on the grandeur side of things.

That is not what "morning" or "evening" mean.   Morning is the appearance of sun's light.   Evening is when sun goes below the horizon.    

If a doctrine has to redefine words to make things fit, that's a pretty good clue that there's something wrong.

 

[Guest kingdombrat]

7 hours ago, BeyondET said:

technically there is a center to the galaxy pretty much all light can been seen without science just saying if the solar system sun wasn’t formed there still would be a evening and morning sunrise and sunset on the grandeur side of things.

I’ve mentioned this before but below I am not saying someone switched or that I’m even remotely correct but just for the sake of saying, reading day 4 before day 3 then 5 so on. It is very striking that every thing flows extremely well without scratching the head on plants and no sun. and day 2 mentions the expanse and day 4 rolls right into placing lights in the expanse.

It is just very boggling it leaves no question on what light is needed for plants sun light like what is true today no sun no plants no anything living on earth. Does God need sun light for plants of coarse not but why is creation presented in such a way. I can’t even be 100% sure that chapter and verse numbering system was ordained or inspired by God to do so. if not can I trust the order of verse chapter etc. the order it’s in makes a person start pondering and questioning instantly. 

 

The Creation

1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

The First Day

 2Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3And God said, “Let there be light,”a and there was light. 4And God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.5God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

The Second Day

6And God said, “Let there be an expanse between the waters, to separate the waters from the waters.” 7So God made the expanse and separated the waters beneath it from the waters above. And it was so.8God called the expanse “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

The Fourth Day

14And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years. 15And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so.

16God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. And He made the stars as well.

17God set these lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth,18to preside over the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.

13And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

The Third Day

9And God said, “Let the waters under the sky be gathered into one place, so that the dry land may appear.” And it was so. 10God called the dry land “earth,” and the gathering of waters He called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth vegetation: seed-bearing plants and fruit trees, each bearing fruit with seed according to its kind.” And it was so. 12The earth produced vegetation: seed-bearing plants according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

The [Light] is the key.   We've been told hundreds of times by Preachers, because it is found within the very Word of God, that the WORD [Yeshua] is the "sustain-er" of all (life).   That He alone holds everything together [His Laws are what we know as the Mathematical Laws of Physics].   And as [both] the Creator and then Sustain-er of Life, his own personal Light [because that is His very Essence as God being the "True Light"] could sustain the lifeforms we read before He creates the Sun and Moon. 

But that leads to a question I was asking another, "How long of a [period of time] do we think the Earth was in the existence of between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 where the Earth is existing, but void, the surface under water, and in complete Darkness?   Were these the perfect conditions to stimulate the lifeforms of microbes which in later days we see our Creator using the microbe filled dust and combining it with the proper amount of fluid to make it pliable for molding?   And then giving those molds life? 

 It certainly explains the connection to single cell and every other form of Species.   And it concludes the same as Evolution, but at an immediate rate of the process?   And for myself, gives me more insight to how one could Believe in God the Creator and think His Intelligent Design was Evolution.   When I think Intelligent Design, I am quite the opposite, I think of same result but it was intelligently processed at the highest rate of time possible.   I do not see the process of billions of years to be intelligent at all.

Edited April 2, 2021 by kingdombrat

[Guest kingdombrat]

5 hours ago, BeyondET said:

A lot of lights, interesting bit 

The first light God separated the light from darkness, named the light as day and darkness as night. 

The lights in the expanse distinguishes the day from the night, signs to mark the seasons and days and years, serve as lights in the expanse to shine upon the earth

The two great lights God creates separate light from darkness, they preside over the day and the night, He set them in the expanse. The greater rules the day and lesser rules the night to shine upon the earth.

and He made the stars too.

From your other post, I definitely agree the Universe has a center and every angle and direction outward is in a continual expansion.  The [photo] of the Bang and Microwave expanded view calculating time and distance is a great illustration of a Center expanding outward in every possible direction.   Oddly enough, no one has ever proven the big bang happened.   It's still not a very old concept and idealism.   But we have no clues about it or if it really happened.   And I find that even more alarming because the Bang is the force to create the [Conditions] for Evolution.   But as I have illustrated in my previous post to you, I think my explanation is more plausible than both the [Big Bang and Evolution] and it still provides how all research can arrive at [similar outcomes].

[BeyondET]

1 hour ago, kingdombrat said:

From your other post, I definitely agree the Universe has a center and every angle and direction outward is in a continual expansion.  The [photo] of the Bang and Microwave expanded view calculating time and distance is a great illustration of a Center expanding outward in every possible direction.   Oddly enough, no one has ever proven the big bang happened.   It's still not a very old concept and idealism.   But we have no clues about it or if it really happened.   And I find that even more alarming because the Bang is the force to create the [Conditions] for Evolution.   But as I have illustrated in my previous post to you, I think my explanation is more plausible than both the [Big Bang and Evolution] and it still provides how all research can arrive at [similar outcomes].

I hear ya, I’m not a fan of the evolution big bang theory either my friend. I can agree with that the universe also has a center as well.

[BeyondET]

5 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

The [Light] is the key.   We've been told hundreds of times by Preachers, because it is found within the very Word of God, that the WORD [Yeshua] is the "sustain-er" of all (life).   That He alone holds everything together [His Laws are what we know as the Mathematical Laws of Physics].   And as [both] the Creator and then Sustain-er of Life, his own personal Light [because that is His very Essence as God being the "True Light"] could sustain the lifeforms we read before He creates the Sun and Moon. 

But that leads to a question I was asking another, "How long of a [period of time] do we think the Earth was in the existence of between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 where the Earth is existing, but void, the surface under water, and in complete Darkness?   Were these the perfect conditions to stimulate the lifeforms of microbes which in later days we see our Creator using the microbe filled dust and combining it with the proper amount of fluid to make it pliable for molding?   And then giving those molds life? 

 It certainly explains the connection to single cell and every other form of Species.   And it concludes the same as Evolution, but at an immediate rate of the process?   And for myself, gives me more insight to how one could Believe in God the Creator and think His Intelligent Design was Evolution.   When I think Intelligent Design, I am quite the opposite, I think of same result but it was intelligently processed at the highest rate of time possible.   I do not see the process of billions of years to be intelligent at all.

How long was it in 1:1 from creating the heavens then the earth in a formless and void state.

There’s one thing for sure, if the universe is billions of years old, just the word billion wasn’t in human vocabulary at the time genesis was written,

how could man write about something that there is no word he has invented to explain it, and God wouldn’t force an understanding.

he could not in those times it would be like teaching a child to count, starting at 1,649,398,927,376,745,954,843,432,oo1

Edited April 2, 2021 by BeyondET

[Guest kingdombrat]

5 hours ago, BeyondET said:

How long was it in 1:1 from creating the heavens then the earth in a formless and void state.

There’s one thing for sure, if the universe is billions of years old, just the word billion wasn’t in human vocabulary at the time genesis was written,

how could man write about something that there is no word he has invented to explain it, and God wouldn’t force an understanding.

he could not in those times it would be like teaching a child to count, starting at 1,649,398,927,376,745,954,843,432,oo1

Even in the Book of Jude we have Jude paraphrasing Enoch who made a reference like Revelation of 10 thousand and 10 thousand.   We know it would be billion+ out of the possible 50 billion people to ever be born on Earth.   But those examples are why I understand how it can be viewed as figuratively.

Edited April 2, 2021 by kingdombrat

[BeyondET]

3 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

Even in the Book of Jude we have Jude paraphrasing Enoch who made a reference like Revelation of 10 thousand and 10 thousand.   We know it would be billion+ out of the possible 50 billion people to ever be born on Earth.   But those examples are why I understand how it can be viewed as figuratively.

Jude is a good example on how far out they counted, even today that number maybe far greater than even a billion +, some use words like myriads and myriads a word invented to explain a countless amount, thus the logical understanding would be to many to count.

somethings I just look at a simple analogy of things, If was to live a myriad a countless amount of time for a Eternity and able to create living things.

I think I would learn real quick not to create real quick, where would be the joy in nurturing, pruning, caring for a little four leaf clover struggling to survive in a dense field of three leaf clovers.

Creation was created perfectly imperfect IMO. I think God greatly enjoys creating and watching His creations grow thus why He is still at work today, creating physical light, galaxies, solar systems etc.

https://www.sciencealert.com/this-stellar-nursery-snapped-by-hubble-shows-a-star-still-being-born

Edited April 3, 2021 by BeyondET

[BeyondET]

One thing still stands true today, it is impossible to exactly count 24 hours in day without a mechanical clock no matter how many stars are counted and sundials erected, about 34 minutes of each day is lost without a mechanical clock.

Sunrise and Sunset time was a profound mystery to the people of long ago and as well if it was cloudy for a week, day and night forget about what time it is just guess it.

Sometimes I wish that was still true day guessing time, then I wouldn’t get scorned for not getting to work on time ? 

Edited April 3, 2021 by BeyondET

[Guest kingdombrat]

13 hours ago, BeyondET said:

One thing still stands true today, it is impossible to exactly count 24 hours in day without a mechanical clock no matter how many stars are counted and sundials erected, about 34 minutes of each day is lost without a mechanical clock.

Sunrise and Sunset time was a profound mystery to the people of long ago and as well if it was cloudy for a week, day and night forget about what time it is just guess it.

Sometimes I wish that was still true day guessing time, then I wouldn’t get scorned for not getting to work on time ? 

What stands out distinctively for me are God's references to His Mathematics, to His Algorithms, to His Science.   Life from procreation to birth and then to death is a complete algorithm.   In Job, God asked Job if he was the one who [stretched the line][can we say TAPE MEASURE] measuring the Universe.   But the simplistic way of claiming He made all living things by adding dust to liquid and forming a MOLD + breathing life into it = Mathematics/Engineering/the Process Design/the Schematics/the Manufacturing Example/the Outcome [just like a plastic mold/injection mold/a potters mold/a sand mold].   

 

When we think about the examples of profession to achieve in this life like Doctor, Attorney, Engineer, Mathematician, a Laborer, a Designer, as a Scientist, we see God doing it (Yeshua is our Mediator between us the Father, that's a nice way of saying Yeshua is my Attorney in ALL Matters).

 

Man cannot say he ever was the first one to do something because we can find God being the Architect of it All!

[The Barbarian]

Definition of algorithm

: a procedure for solving a mathematical problem (as of finding the greatest common divisor) in a finite number of steps that frequently involves repetition of an operation