Are Fossils evidence of evolution ....or are the evidence of fossils

[Guest kingdombrat]

On 4/5/2021 at 10:22 AM, The Barbarian said:

In these excavations, they actually map out precisely the location of each bit of bone, both vertically and horizontally.    And photos are taken of bones in situ  No one would take such a find seriously if they didn't.   And no, "they are all just lying" is not going to be a very good argument.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Antonio-Valera/publication/331480632/figure/fig4/AS:732392163659776@1551627307052/In-situ-bones-from-the-skeleton-exhumed-from-pit-1-of-Bela-Vista.png

 

So where are the pictures for Lucy at?

[Guest kingdombrat]

On 4/5/2021 at 10:26 AM, The Barbarian said:

Even most YE creationists now admit the evolution of new species...

From Answers in Genesis:

To his credit, Darwin corrected a popular misunderstanding. Species do change. Since Darwin’s day, many observations have confirmed this. In fact, new species have even been shown to arise within a single hu-man lifetime.

https://assets.answersingenesis.org/doc/articles/pdf-versions/species-change.pdf

 

They are YE creationists.   They're just honest enough to admit this fact; new species do evolve.   No point in denying the fact.

 

 

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The only true evidence of new Species is within the Microbe kingdom.   Just like the [dust] God used to Create with, He first set the environment so these microorganisms and bacteria's can thrive and bring forth renewed life.   We are not witnessing actual new Species, we are witnessing the same process God explained to us.   For we are all billions and trillions of the same evolving Microbes assigned per Specie according to God's own Creation! 

[The Barbarian]

2 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

The only true evidence of new Species is within the Microbe kingdom. 

No, that assumption is incorrect.   For example O. gigas from O. lamarckana.    D. miranda from other Drysophilids.    Here's Answers in Genesis:

Before the time of Charles Darwin, a false idea had crept into the church—the belief in the “fixity” or “immutability” of species. According to this view, each species was created in precisely the same form that we find it today. The Bible nowhere teaches that species are fixed and unchanging.

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Some evolutionists certainly think so. After I participated in a creation-evolution debate at Texas A & M, a biology professor got up and told everyone about the flies on certain islands that used to interbreed but no longer do. They’ve become separate species, and that, he said, to a fair amount of applause, proves evolution is a fact—period!

https://answersingenesis.org/natural-selection/speciation/speciation-yes-evolution-no/

More properly, it demonstrates macroevolution.   Microevolution is, as you mentioned, evolution within a species.   Macroevolution is the evolution of new species.

And as you now see, even most YE creationists admit the fact of new species evolving.   Usually, they also admit that new genera and families evolve.

 

 

 

[The Barbarian]

2 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

What if at Lucy's death, a passing by carnivore decided to rip the feet off Lucy [which is why there is no feet located with the rest of Lucy's remains].   And during the damage from having your feet chewed and tugged off, this caused the unnatural location of the ankle joint.   

If you think a podiatrist couldn't tell the difference between an ankle joint from a person with flat feet, and a bone that had been chewed by animals, we've located the problem.

 

[The Barbarian]

And yes, the relevant bone was recovered at the site:

https://archive.archaeology.org/0711/etc/jpegs/lucy.jpg

[The Barbarian]

2 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

They know by the Discover's opinion, or did they take pictures of it like real researchers do?  I am not taking the word of one man when every example of the same Species the ankle joint is located on the other side.

Doesn't matter what anyone thinks.  Reality is what counts.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/2/10/1297356090584/Foot-bone-from-Australopi-008.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=0ccce6b9ca86a2d870e13f86175a6677

The 3.2m-year-old foot bone resembles its equivalent in humans and shows Australopithecus afarensis had arched feet. Photograph: Kimberly A. Congdon/Carol Ward/Elizabeth Harman/Science

 

[JohnR7]

On 4/8/2021 at 11:45 AM, Riverwalker said:

The ONLY thing fossils prove is that fossils exist.

God gives us fossils for a reason. Proverbs 3:19 "By wisdom the LORD laid the earth's foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in place". God gives us wisdom, knowledge and understanding so we can know what He has done. 

[Riverwalker]

15 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

God gives us fossils for a reason. Proverbs 3:19 "By wisdom the LORD laid the earth's foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in place". God gives us wisdom, knowledge and understanding so we can know what He has done. 

That is HIS Wisdom and HIS  Understanding

Just 14 verse earlier in the same chapter God says

Proverbs 3:5Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;

And

Proverbs 3: 8Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the Lord and depart from evil.

 

 

[Guest kingdombrat]

On 4/8/2021 at 1:57 PM, The Barbarian said:

Some evolutionists certainly think so. After I participated in a creation-evolution debate at Texas A & M, a biology professor got up and told everyone about the flies on certain islands that used to interbreed but no longer do. They’ve become separate species, and that, he said, to a fair amount of applause, proves evolution is a fact—period!

I am familiar with Biologists suggestion of flies as being the source of evolution in its best example.   Just because they stopped mating does not indicate they became separate Species.   

 

I set fly traps all the time since I live on a farm full of newly hatching flies.   The one constant I have observed is when you place a multitude of flies, separate Species or not, into a container where their senses are overloading from the display of a giant orgy hopping on one another to another to another.   You can see differences in the live birth [maggots].   

 

I would bet if I took the examples of the flies this Biology Professor is speaking about and put them into the same circumstance {^} I would get the [same results].

[Guest kingdombrat]

On 4/8/2021 at 1:59 PM, The Barbarian said:

If you think a podiatrist couldn't tell the difference between an ankle joint from a person with flat feet, and a bone that had been chewed by animals, we've located the problem.

Since there are no pictures of Lucy when she was discovered before excavating her, the podiatrist still has to go off the description how she was found, how her legs were positioned, etc.   A Podiatrist isn't going to take anything for grant it unless that's the mission.