Are Fossils evidence of evolution ....or are the evidence of fossils

[teddyv]

 

6 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

 

What I use is a Scroll, written in the [same Hebrew] that Moses wrote in since we are comparing that time frame.   

https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/index.htm

 

And those who posses this Scroll make the Disclaimer:

The Book of Jasher

Referred to in

Joshua and Second Samuel

Faithfully Translated

FROM THE ORIGINAL HEBREW INTO ENGLISH

"Is not this written in the Book of Jasher?"--Joshua, x. 13.
"Behold it is written in the Book of Jasher."--II. Samuel, i. 18

SALT LAKE CITY:
PUBLISHED BY J.H. PARRY & COMPANY
1887.

This is one of the apochrypal Books of Jasher. There are several (as many as five) separate works by this title, all composed much later than Biblical times. This particular one is a translation of a Hebrew book printed in 1613. Sepir Ha Yasher, the Hebrew title of this book, means the 'Book of the Upright', or 'the Upright or Correct Record'. This title was misread as 'Jasher', and at some point Jasher was treated as a proper name; however the pronoun 'the' (hebrew 'ha') never preceeds proper names.

Thanks. I found the same version in pdf (slight format changes) at holybooks.com

[Guest kingdombrat]

On 4/11/2021 at 8:01 PM, The Barbarian said:

Same place protons are explained.   There are many things that are true, that are not in the Bible.

As you learned, the text itself rules out the "days" of Genesis being literal 24-hour days.

The point, of course, is that A afarensis bones clearly show that their feet were like ours adapted for walking upright.

 

I agree that the Bible deals simply with Morals, how to live in a way conducive to allow the maximum and potential interaction with God, and to take God at His Word.   It is [Void] of many things.   And for some of the things we do find in the Bible [Solomon's wife detailing intimate thoughts and such], we scratch our heads and ask God, "I already figured those things out but what I want to know [are the Specifics] to how you Created the Universe and Life from YOUR Personna alone?

 

I have read several places where the A afarensis 99.9% claim are ape like and [Lucy] is the single one example.   And most of the names I can list to arrive from this conclusion are themselves atheist/gnostic.

[Guest kingdombrat]

11 minutes ago, teddyv said:

 

Thanks. I found the same version in pdf (slight format changes) at holybooks.com

Awesome!

Enjoy the read.

[Sparks]

14 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

They broke apart hundred of millions of years before there were humans. 

I suppose you have a satellite photo of that event? Maybe a time machine? 

If not, you are entirely talking theory. 

[Sparks]

14 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Nope.   No such statement.   But I'd be interested in hearing why you think so.   Have you actually read Genesis?

You be sure to tell to the atheist crowds your opinion, then.  They claim this part of Genesis is evidence that the Bible that conflicts with itself.  They claim hundreds of conflicts like this one.

As for me, I am done with this topic with you. 

Thanks for the chat.

In Genesis 1:

Genesis 1:24-25 (KJV) 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

In Genesis 2:

Genesis 2:19 (KJV) 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

[Guest kingdombrat]

On 4/11/2021 at 8:05 PM, The Barbarian said:

Nope.  None of that matters.   Only the orientation of the articulating surface of the ankle bone.   Your claim that maybe they were fooled by an animal having chewed on the bone, is laughable.  Did you really think that would fool any podiatrist?   Seriously?

 

 

You've mentioned [ankle bone] every post.   The bone I see used from pictures you've provided would be from the foot, which there were no remaining bones from Lucy's feet.  Are Podiatrists claiming the foot/ankle bone(s) of Lucy are one and the same?

[Guest kingdombrat]

On 4/11/2021 at 8:11 PM, The Barbarian said:

If so, that's yet another misunderstanding you have.   Let's see what a YE creationist has to say about evidence for evolution...

"Evidences for Darwin’s second expectation — of stratomorphic intermediate species — include such species as Baragwanathia27 (between rhyniophytes and lycopods), Pikaia28 (between echinoderms and chordates), Purgatorius29 (between the tree shrews and the primates), and Proconsul30 (between the non-hominoid primates and the hominoids). Darwin’s third expectation — of higher-taxon stratomorphic intermediates — has been confirmed by such examples as the mammal-like reptile groups31 between the reptiles and the mammals, and the phenacodontids32 between the horses and their presumed ancestors. Darwin’s fourth expectation — of stratomorphic series — has been confirmed by such examples as the early bird series,33 the tetrapod series,34,35 the whale series,36 the various mammal series of the Cenozoic37 (for example, the horse series, the camel series, the elephant series, the pig series, the titanothere series, etc.), the Cantius and Plesiadapus primate series,38 and the hominid series.39Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected by macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for macroevolutionary theory. Creationists therefore need to accept this fact. It certainly CANNOT be said that traditional creation theory expected (predicted) any of these fossil finds."

https://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j09_2/j09_2_216-222.pdf

Another:

"Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well.

I say these things not because I'm crazy or because I've "converted" to evolution. I say these things because they are true. I'm motivated this morning by reading yet another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution.

...

Creationist students, listen to me very carefully: There is evidence for evolution, and evolution is an extremely successful scientific theory. That doesn't make it ultimately true, and it doesn't mean that there could not possibly be viable alternatives. It is my own faith choice to reject evolution, because I believe the Bible reveals true information about the history of the earth that is fundamentally incompatible with evolution. I am motivated to understand God's creation from what I believe to be a biblical, creationist perspective. Evolution itself is not flawed or without evidence. Please don't be duped into thinking that somehow evolution itself is a failure. Please don't idolize your own ability to reason. Faith is enough."
https://toddcwood.blogspot.com/2009/09/truth-about-evolution.html

I did not read the opinion from a [single] Creationist Viewpoint!   I read individuals trying to ride the fence and mingle the Holy Word of God with the Idealism's of God's Own Creation.

[The Barbarian]

3 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

I did not read the opinion from a [single] Creationist Viewpoint!   I read individuals trying to ride the fence and mingle the Holy Word of God with the Idealism's of God's Own Creation.

Wise believes in a YE and rejects common descent of all organisms on Earth.    He's just honest enough to admit that there is very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory.

 

 

[The Barbarian]

3 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

You've mentioned [ankle bone] every post. 

Yes.   The orientation of the facet on that bone is diagnostic for flat feet.   That's how podiatrists can tell that Lucy had flat feet.

 

[The Barbarian]

Nope.   No such statement.   But I'd be interested in hearing why you think so.   Have you actually read Genesis?

4 hours ago, Sparks said:

You be sure to tell to the atheist crowds your opinion, then. 

Explaining scripture to atheists is kind of like explaining science to creationists.    It's so alien to them, that one has to be very deliberate and gradual.  

4 hours ago, Sparks said:

As for me, I am done with this topic with you. 

Pity.   I was wondering if you had any scriptural basis for your belief.   If you have such, I'd like to hear about it.   The two verses you cited, seem to say the same things.

 

 

Edited April 15, 2021 by The Barbarian