Are Fossils evidence of evolution ....or are the evidence of fossils

[teddyv]

7 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Plate tectonics are real, and things have moved a bit, but it's ever so slight.  If we have not been here for 'billions of years' as some people have suggested, then that theory is over, anyway.  I have already covered why dating methods abjectly fail. 

Found some interesting stuff on U-Pb dating that you might like (or not).

7 minutes ago, Sparks said:

But let's say for a moment that hypothetically, Pangaea existed before Noah's flood. You have to imagine, if God flooded the world entirely and waters crashed about violently in Noah's time, the surface of the Earth is just not going to look the same when the flood waters recede, over a year later.   Scripture itself says that God pushed the mountains of today into existence, made the valleys, and set boundaries so that the water would never cover the world again.  I posted that scripture, a few posts back.

And your scripture rendering is wrong.

Yes, there would be lots of erosion. However, the Bible is pretty silent on the whole energy levels of the Flood. The rains fell and fountains of the deep burst forth, but what did that look like? Was it localized in certain areas? If, so would there not have been a more gentle sea-level rise in many other places of the world? The Bible is silent on that. We just read that all life was wiped out other than that on the ark (and the ocean creatures)

 

7 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Scientists pretend that the world is just as it was before the flood, and then draw their maps.

No, you create fantastical caricatures of scientists. 

 

If you accept a young earth, go right ahead. If you want to criticize scientific theories, knock yourself out - but demonstrate that you know what you are criticizing rather than a strawman. 

[Guest kingdombrat]

5 minutes ago, teddyv said:

Yes, but the continents were separated prior to Pangaea. Tectonics just pushed them all together for a time.

Everything else would be oceanic crust, which is generally under the sea. I don't see why lava flow would not be inward.

You believe we had several Continents that eventually came together and then separated later?

 

Since man decided to mark down distance, have we measured the distance apart from continent to continent to see if we're still separating or reversed heading back together?

[teddyv]

7 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

You believe we had several Continents that eventually came together and then separated later?

Yes. The continental cratons (i.e. the Canadian Shield, which is the exposed portion of the North American craton) are very old. The oldest rocks on earth can be found in these areas (up to 3.5Ga, I think). There are some reconstruction videos like one I suggested earlier in the thread (although that was from Pangaea breakup to present) that go back to 1.5Ga. You can watch the movements of the various continents with respect to each other.

 

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Since man decided to mark down distance, have we measured the distance apart from continent to continent to see if we're still separating or reversed heading back together?

Plate direction and speed are tracked by GPS. They are known with great accuracy. Utilizing this information and assuming more or less constant rates, we see how things were in the past. The Mid Atlantic Ridge is spreading at about 4cm/year, if I recall correctly.

Have a look at the Hawaiian Islands track across the Pacific into a series of seamounts which make a sharp bend into the Emperor Seamount chain which demarcates a change in direction of the Pacific Plate. These motions are backed up by radiometric dating which shows a very strong correlation of time with distance.

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[Sparks]

11 minutes ago, teddyv said:

Found some interesting stuff on U-Pb dating that you might like (or not).

I posted Argon/Argon values, but I noticed you didn't provide the dates for the samples.  That's probably because you cannot.

11 minutes ago, teddyv said:

And your scripture rendering is wrong.

I didn't render it, I posted it.  If you mean interpretation, then I got it right.  It cannot be from creation retold, because it would cause a conflict in the Bible.  Why don't you ever address the conflict that is created with the 'retelling' you claim.

11 minutes ago, teddyv said:

Yes, there would be lots of erosion. However, the Bible is pretty silent on the whole energy levels of the Flood. The rains fell and fountains of the deep burst forth, but what did that look like? Was it localized in certain areas? If, so would there not have been a more gentle sea-level rise in many other places of the world? The Bible is silent on that. We just read that all life was wiped out other than that on the ark (and the ocean creatures).

No it mentions it.  The Earth was covered.  Because of your bias of billions of years, and your theories of thermodynamics, you miss that covered meant entirely covered. 

What would happen if it were entirely covered?  Don't say that it could not have been due to heat, as I have addressed that.

11 minutes ago, teddyv said:

No, you create fantastical caricatures of scientists.

Yes, some believe theory is fact. 

11 minutes ago, teddyv said:

If you accept a young earth, go right ahead. If you want to criticize scientific theories, knock yourself out - but demonstrate that you know what you are criticizing rather than a strawman. 

I have shown why your theory is still quite safely theory, and not fact. 

[Guest kingdombrat]

5 minutes ago, teddyv said:

Yes. The continental cratons (i.e. the Canadian Shield, which is the exposed portion of the North American craton) are very old. The oldest rocks on earth can be found in these areas (up to 3.5Ga, I think). There are some reconstruction videos like one I suggested earlier in the thread (although that was from Pangaea breakup to present) that go back to 1.5Ga. You can watch the movements of the various continents with respect to each other.

 

Plate direction and speed are tracked by GPS. They are known with great accuracy. Utilizing this information and assuming more or less constant rates, we see how things were in the past. The Mid Atlantic Ridge is spreading at about 4cm/year, if I recall correctly.

Have a look at the Hawaiian Islands track across the Pacific into a series of seamounts which make a sharp bend into the Emperor Seamount chain which demarcates a change in direction of the Pacific Plate. These motions are backed up by radiometric dating which shows a very strong correlation of time with distance.

But are the Continents still furthering from one another or are they slowly closing the Gap?   Nature tends to repeat itself.   Look at humanity and all aspects of life.   If Pangea happened, then we're about that age when we should be heading back together.

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[teddyv]

5 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

But are the Continents still furthering from one another or are they slowly closing the Gap?   Nature tends to repeat itself.   Look at humanity and all aspects of life.   If Pangea happened, then we're about that age when we should be heading back together.

India is colliding with Asia, hence the Himalayas. The Pacific Plate is moving under the North American plate, hence the active earthquakes and volcanoes and Rocky Mountains. The Pacific Basin is shrinking as the Atlantic Basin is increasing. So in time, it may be that North America will reconnect with the greater part of Asia. Japan, Philippines and New Zealand are island arcs that will probably be docked with the continents.

 

ETA, some of those Youtube videos also show the predicted future of the plates based on current motions.

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[Guest kingdombrat]

4 minutes ago, teddyv said:

India is colliding with Asia, hence the Himalayas. The Pacific Plate is moving under the North American plate, hence the active earthquakes and volcanoes and Rocky Mountains. The Pacific Basin is shrinking as the Atlantic Basin is increasing. So in time, it may be that North America will reconnect with the greater part of Asia. Japan, Philippines and New Zealand are island arcs that will probably be docked with the continents.

 

ETA, some of those Youtube videos also show the predicted future of the plates based on current motions.

So we are closing the Gap again.   I will definitely check out the videos then.   Thanks!

[teddyv]

11 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

So we are closing the Gap again.   I will definitely check out the videos then.   Thanks!

There is one entitled "240 million years ago to 250 million years in the future" which is OK, another better one is "How Earth Will Look In 250 million Years"

[Sparks]

7 minutes ago, teddyv said:

There is one entitled "240 million years ago to 250 million years in the future" which is OK, another better one is "How Earth Will Look In 250 million Years"

So, are these videos fact, or speculation?  Just curious, because you are talking like you have evidence this happened, and will happen, as a fact.

[teddyv]

27 minutes ago, Sparks said:

So, are these videos fact, or speculation?  Just curious, because you are talking like you have evidence this happened, and will happen, as a fact.

They are predictions based on current observable plate motions.