hdtwice Posted February 8, 2021 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 62 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 40 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2021 Matthew 19 Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.' What does this say about individual prayer? If individual prayer is effective, then why the above versus? OR is solo prayer not effective unless done with others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOrangeCat Posted February 8, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,414 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 1,836 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2021 Matthew 6:5-7 speaks on solo prayer. They both have their times and places. If I had to venture a guess I'd say the encouragement to agree with others in prayer also serves as a form of sharing our struggles and hardships as well as the joy that comes from answered prayers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted February 8, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 775 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,953 Content Per Day: 3.05 Reputation: 1,984 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, hdtwice said: Matthew 19 Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.' What does this say about individual prayer? If individual prayer is effective, then why the above versus? OR is solo prayer not effective unless done with others? God gave Glosolalia thru Holy Spirit to build personal faith n relation, when the burden comes we let Holy Spirit takes over our tongue n pray with Glosolalia. But we also need to pray together. Edited February 8, 2021 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray12614 Posted February 8, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 667 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 750 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/22/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2021 This verse (Mathew 18 starting around verse 15) should be understood in context (in my opinion), and the context is that Jesus is talking about resolving conflict between brothers. He just talked about that the proper steps to handle a brother who sins against you. Jesus is not afraid of conflict, neither does conflict 'keep' Him from gathering together with us. He just expects us to resolve conflict His way, using His teaching principals, and expecting His presence and power to do so WHEN we gather together in His Name. I have seen this done following Jesus' teaching, and it works (go figure right?). I also unfortunately, have seen this biblical teaching of Jesus ignored, and the result is anger, division, church splits, and more. Jesus' goal always is resolution and restoration between believers. But is is predicated on both sides submitting to Jesus' guiding principals and Word. And, that principal is: where two or more are gathered together in His name, He gathers together with them. It does not void the blessing and presence of the Lord in our lives when we pray privately, but, it affirms the blessing and presence of the Lord when we gather corporately. When we gather together as believers, we should do so 'in the Name of Jesus' and expect Him to gather with us for whatever purpose, whether it is conflict resolution, worship, teaching and preaching the Word of God, communion, witnessing, social events etc. Thats my opinion . . . hope this helps . . . Ray . . . 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted February 8, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.29 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted February 8, 2021 7 hours ago, hdtwice said: Matthew 19 Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.' What does this say about individual prayer? If individual prayer is effective, then why the above versus? OR is solo prayer not effective unless done with others? There is a fine line here, isn't there? Okay, we can't argue about what Jesus said - what Jesus said is always fact. But, we are taught to pray constantly (1 Thessalonians 5:17), and in doing so we build a personal relationship with God. God loves us more than we can imagine and will do all that he can for us, as individuals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdtwice Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 62 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 40 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 On 2/8/2021 at 4:39 AM, Ray12614 said: This verse (Mathew 18 starting around verse 15) should be understood in context (in my opinion), and the context is that Jesus is talking about resolving conflict between brothers. He just talked about that the proper steps to handle a brother who sins against you. Jesus is not afraid of conflict, neither does conflict 'keep' Him from gathering together with us. He just expects us to resolve conflict His way, using His teaching principals, and expecting His presence and power to do so WHEN we gather together in His Name. In thinking about your reply, my take away from your words is that the Jesus is there during conflict resolution when all parties are praying together on the same page.....is that what you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.95 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2021 I'm reminded of this scripture but i don't know if its relevant. John 8:17 8:17, ESV: "In your Law it is written that the testimony of two people is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwalker Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 1,753 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/09/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2021 There is a time for every purpose under heaven. There is a time for corporate prayer. And a time for individual prayer but in truth we are supposed to remain in a attitude of prayer 24/7, always with an open heart to God 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray12614 Posted February 22, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 667 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 750 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/22/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2021 8 hours ago, hdtwice said: In thinking about your reply, my take away from your words is that the Jesus is there during conflict resolution when all parties are praying together on the same page.....is that what you mean? Somehow I missed the notification you replied to my post. Apologies! Yes, that is what I mean, and more. The principal is when we gather together, He is with us. Also, When we Pray individually, he also answers our prayers. I think that IF we keep that in mind, then our prayers will be more specific, more intent, and more ferverent . . . Still, in context, Jesus was speaking about conflict resolution . . . Grace and Peace . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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