Applying Ocaam's Razor to the Creation/Evolution Discussion

[The Barbarian]

14 hours ago, appy said:

People find science an interesting thing. And it answers a lot of questions. That is all fine and good until it comes to spiritual matters and our relationship to God. The bible supersedes all other writings and opinions.

Moot point.   The Bible has nothing that in any way denies the fact of evolution.

 

14 hours ago, appy said:

Evolution pretty much excludes God's Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence and Sovereignty over all creation.

That's wrong.  Indeed, the fact that God could create a world where such things evolve is testimony to His power and majesty.

14 hours ago, appy said:

Scripture teaches us that God has hardwired into our hearts about him, and his sovereignty over all.

Figure of speech.   We don't actually think or believe in our hearts.  Ancient people thought so, but that's wrong.  

14 hours ago, appy said:

Believing the creation account in scripture requires us to trust God,

Creationists and evolutionists alike believe the creation account.   The major difference is that creationists don't approve of the way He did it.

14 hours ago, appy said:

Think about this, horses never produce cattle. Dogs never produce cats, birds never produce lizards.

It's one reason we know evolutionary theory is correct.  If those things happened, it would wreck evolutionary theory.

14 hours ago, appy said:

Everything produces after its own kind, just as the bible declares.

Except it doesn't.  

14 hours ago, appy said:

So why would we think that mankind evolved from apes?

Because we are apes.    We and chimpanzees are more closely related than either of us is related to other apes.

14 hours ago, appy said:

Evolution calls God a liar

In fact, evolution is more consistent with scripture than special creation.   Creationism, which says that life proceeds only from life, certainly conflicts with God's Word.   (the origin of life is not something evolution is involved with, however)

 

 

[The Barbarian]

11 hours ago, BeyondET said:

why are their many different races from one man,

why do asian people have small eye openings

Actually, there are no biological human races today.   What we call "races" are really social constructs.   Genetics shows we have no such races.

Asians tend to have an epicanthic fold.   It's not limited to Asians, however.

There is no confirmed function for this feature, although there are some speculations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicanthic_fold

Edited March 14, 2021 by The Barbarian

[BeyondET]

On 3/14/2021 at 5:08 PM, The Barbarian said:

Actually, there are no biological human races today.   What we call "races" are really social constructs.   Genetics shows we have no such races.

Asians tend to have an epicanthic fold.   It's not limited to Asians, however.

There is no confirmed function for this feature, although there are some speculations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicanthic_fold

I looked up what is a race and you are correct it is a cultural stigma.

though there is no doubt human variations are real from skin Color, eye shape, hair texture, all sorts of things yet I haven’t read much about the why are there so many different variations, could be from the environment, humans adapting to a harsh world. maybe living as a fisherman in the pacific had a impact, the Pacific Ocean is the largest area of water on earth reflecting a lot of sun light, fishing on a Ocean or living in a cold region with a lot of snow, I could see the eyes adapting for less stress strain on the eyes.

Or like the Tibetans that inhale more air with each breath and breathe more rapidly than either sea-level populations or Andeans. Tibetans have better oxygenation at birth, enlarged lung volumes throughout life

Edited March 16, 2021 by BeyondET

[Riverwalker]

On 3/14/2021 at 1:12 AM, BeyondET said:

 why are their many different races from one man,

why do asian people have small eye openings

Because God made them that way. (simplest answer, Ocaam)

But he only made one race, the Human Race

But 

[BeyondET]

15 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

Because God made them that way. (simplest answer, Ocaam)

But he only made one race, the Human Race

But 

Yes God created humans to adapt to their environment, When Adam and Eve left the garden the process started IMO. as bazaar as it may sound the clothing was human skin the outer epidermis IMO, human skin has a purpose of protection from the environment basically

Edited March 16, 2021 by BeyondET

[Riverwalker]

2 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Yes God created humans to adapt to their environment, When Adam and Eve left the garden the process started IMO. as bazaar as it may sound the clothing was human skin the outer epidermis IMO, human skin has a purpose of protection from the environment basically

Adapting to their environment in no way changes their species. Favorable attributes for  different areas bred more successfully.  Short Squat people (Eskimos) thrived in the far north reaches, tall Athletic dark people thrived in the plains of Africa. These favored traits breed successfully  is not mutation and not in any means evolution. It is simply the favoring of successful attributes for their environment

Neither one of the above is less human than the other. 

[BeyondET]

16 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

Adapting to their environment in no way changes their species. Favorable attributes for  different areas bred more successfully.  Short Squat people (Eskimos) thrived in the far north reaches, tall Athletic dark people thrived in the plains of Africa. These favored traits breed successfully  is not mutation and not in any means evolution. It is simply the favoring of successful attributes for their environment

Neither one of the above is less human than the other. 

I agree humans are humans isn’t a evolving species per say, I certainly don’t think any one human is less human than another.

I don’t think the word evolution is a accurate explanation of nature or it’s theory. but animals and humans do have defects mutations for what ever reason, some say sin entered the world probably a good explanation.

favored traits, attributes etc, are either allowed or by design.

all the Bible says is man was formed from dirt, the ground, a person could study what the properties of dirt is and say yea man’s body was formed from these elements, materials of other things.

[Riverwalker]

2 hours ago, BeyondET said:

all the Bible says is man was formed from dirt, the ground, a person could study what the properties of dirt is and say yea man’s body was formed from these elements, materials of other things.

But it wasn't until God breathed life into that mudpie, that he became man

 

[BeyondET]

15 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

But it wasn't until God breathed life into that mudpie, that he became man

 

Well the Bible says dirt which is dry a mudpie is a mixture of water and dirt lol jk.

though gen 2, does mention the man first, the man became a living being after the man was formed. A breath a living soul being IMO.

7Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.

Edited March 16, 2021 by BeyondET

[BeyondET]

Evolution simplified, a tad pole swims up a stream finds a ball of soup called an egg, nine months later whalla a human being

Edited March 16, 2021 by BeyondET