Yes, but is the Matrix's Oracle Reloaded?

[nebula]

Well, unfortunately, it looks like The Matrix: Reloaded lost its potential of continuing any Biblical parallels .

I'll stand by my claims to the potentials of the first film, but this second one sounds like they took spirituality to the most maximum pit possible.

[Catsmeow]

Obviously, you just went to see the film. I haven't seen it yet...probably won't since I never saw the first one.

If it goes the way of most Hollywood flicks, it's probably pretty New Agey.

[nebula]

No, I haven't seen it. I've been too swamped with getting these school projects done. Besides, I wanted to see what the Christian movie review sites had to say about this film first. I was feeling wary of how the second film would have been portrayed (knowing they really could have gone more redemptive or less redemtive with the second), and it seems like they went the completely wrong way.

The underlined part in my previous post is a link to such a review. It tells all you (didn't) want to know.

[Guest shadow2b]

WeLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL--i'll just throw my 3cents in---we haveNOT been to a movie in thirty years-----

that's 30yrs----my son brought some cds over at christmas but Patsy & I left the room--------they watched them but we went to our bedroom & watched the traditional christmas moves that had story-lines & actors that didNOT have to take their clothes off or use words that would make a sailor blush--- actors like---Jimmy Stewart,henry fonda--John Wayne-katherine Hepburn--Spencer Tracey--Donna Reed----These actors & actresses coud convey any emotion or thought without saying one word---- nope there is only GarBage at the movie-houses now---course that's just my opinion --------

GOD-BLESS-ALL-TRUTHSEEKERS------------------- ----{Gary}------

[Ovedya]

I saw Reloaded last Tuesday. Overall, I would say that there were a lot more New Age and Buddhist references in this movie, but really not any more or less than I remember from Star Wars.

I really enjoyed the movie. As I mentioned before, the storyline was great. IN comparison to the first movie, this one really made you think about where the story was going and how the whole reality of the Matrix was really designed.

I think I tend to be a little less worried about the whole New Age, Buddhist, philosophy thing in movies than others. And where it is important to be watchfull, like so many other things you can really get paraniod about this kind of thing.

[Catsmeow]

Not all current movies are bad...there's a few jewels out there...I'm particularly fond of Shakespear ...and go wild over my favorite, Henry V...which I love because it gives honor and glory to GOD!

King Henry kneels before God in prayer, begs his forgiveness for the sins of his father and pleads with God to go before him in the upcoming battle with the French.

When he wins, he insists to his men that all honor and glory goes to God and God alone!

There's a few good movies still out there....

I also see a little goodness in movies like, "Forest Gump" and "Fried Green Tomatoes"....

In Gump, Jenny as an abused child runs through a field begging Jesus to change her into a bird...Well, Jesus doesn't change her into a bird but He does get her out of an aweful situation.

In Tomatoes, Ruth gets Idgy to promise to go to church by getting the preacher to testify in her behalf. It works! She does end up in church and becoming a Christian, {her salvation is implied}.

OH, one more thing...

I was watching the "Twilight Zone" {the new version} and a rather New Agey episode actually gave the gospel message right in the middle of the program! They told of Jesus sacrificing his life for the whole world.

God's influence is being painted over the air waves... Too Cool!

[Guest shilou]

Well we went to the Matrix last weekend and it was awful. Nothing was clear about it. Not the storyline, not the plot, and the majority of it was unrealistic kick boxing. The only thing I can compare it to is a video game where you have to reach different levels, find the oracle, find the key master. My husband who normally likes action hated it because that's pretty much all it was. I thought I could watch this and find some redeeming quality to point out to the many kids I talk to. I could not think of a thing to take away with me except to point out the ridiculas notion that Neo be compared to a savior. In the end given a choice to save humanity or the woman he loved he self-centeredly chose the woman. To top it off the one main point of the whole thing was that one man controlled all, not a superior being or nothing. Just a man who created the Matrix. It was very much against christianity in that the prophecies were proven to be false and one man controlled destiny for all. If it had any point it was to show that believing in anything bigger than man was a false belief and many were mislead by it. But pretty much it was eye candy and really left the mind wanting. I even dozed through parts of the kick boxing because it was very repetitive. Thumbs down.

In Yeshua's love

Shilou

[Ovedya]

Well we went to the Matrix last weekend and it was awful. Nothing was clear about it. Not the storyline, not the plot, and the majority of it was unrealistic kick boxing. The only thing I can compare it to is a video game where you have to reach different levels, find the oracle, find the key master. My husband who normally likes action hated it because that's pretty much all it was. I thought I could watch this and find some redeeming quality to point out to the many kids I talk to. I could not think of a thing to take away with me except to point out the ridiculas notion that Neo be compared to a savior. In the end given a choice to save humanity or the woman he loved he self-centeredly chose the woman. To top it off the one main point of the whole thing was that one man controlled all, not a superior being or nothing. Just a man who created the Matrix. It was very much against christianity in that the prophecies were proven to be false and one man controlled destiny for all. If it had any point it was to show that believing in anything bigger than man was a false belief and many were mislead by it. But pretty much it was eye candy and really left the mind wanting. I even dozed through parts of the kick boxing because it was very repetitive. Thumbs down.

In Yeshua's love

Shilou

Oh, Shilou, there was so much more than that to the story.

First of all, Neo was given the choice to save humanity or to save his love. But this was not exactly the case - it was not so black and white. You see, the keymaster told Neo that he was just another in a long line of "Neo's" who came out of the Matrix in order to "save humanity." He explained to Neo that even if he did walk through the other door to save humanity, the system would just reset itself and the whole process would start over again. but by leaving through the door to save his love, Neo would also have the choice to save humanity from outside the Matrix. Or so we are led to believe...

It's a real mindtwister, so you have to pay close attention. You see, the Matrix was designed to be a perfect computer simulation. But like all computer systems, there are cliches. These glitches are the rampant individual programs that the keymaster was talking about. Neo and others before him were allowed to leave the Matrix and run about trying to save humanity in order for the Matrix program to try and solve the inherent problems in the system. Each time a new Neo (Neo means "new") arose the Matrix got a little better. It would be able to predict each move that the new Neo made.

Now, here's the whole mind-blow of the thing: Was the reality that the "ecapees" from the Matrix experiencing really real? Or is the post-apocolyptic world they lived in just another computer simulation? Think about it. The last movie is titled "Revolutions." What does that make you think of?

[Guest shilou]

God man I was looking at the whole thing to try and salvage something, anything out of it to point out to kids who are not going into all that. They knowing I am a christian want to tell me this is a sort of christian movie. Well it's not, and it sends a very bad message to our youth. Forget everyone else pick what makes you feel good, unmarried sex coupled with what they consider to be a spiritual movie, and the sex scene in that was seeping with evil, I could literally feel it. At least a full hour was taken up with mindless kickboxing. Finding the oracle and the key master are straight out of Zelda. Yes there were many concepts and messages kind of put out there, and because of the mind twisting of it an entire cult like atmosphere has risen from it with our youth. Every young person I have talked to cannot give me a straight answer on what it was about, but they liked the special effects, and the action. Sorry to say part of that action was gyrating bodies to dark music. From that point on I was disgusted, and sickened that the media is in any way trying to couple this with Scripture. But we all get to have our own opinions this is just mine.

In Yeshua's love

Shilou

[Ovedya]

I think the point is that we should not be surprised at the increasing level of permissiveness in the media. Sex, homosexuality, and violence continue to permeate every aspect of society through the media. We are bombarded by it. No, I would definitely not allow my kids to watch such movies either.

I guess it really boils down to your own personal comfort level. I have always been a Sci-Fi fan, so I really did not have much of a problem with the Matrix. By and large I do not have much of a problem with anything, since I know that these are stories - most of them have tossed any redemptive moral qualities out the window in favor of what brings in the bucks.

Not to give you any notion that I favor movies with a lot of violence and sex in them. Going to any movie is a rarity for me, and the movies we rent are usually "G" or very mild "PG" movies. If my wife are interested in a rated "R" movie, we wait until the kids are in bed, or better yet, sleeping over at their friends'. But every so often I think it's okay to watch a Rambo-type movie. The wife hates 'em, though - just like I prefer to not watch the typical "chick flicks" that she loves so much. But we compromise every once in a while.