There are words I have never heard in the bible

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, leah777 said:

nope. not clear. Please answer the question more clearly. To me also you are saying that anyone who died before Jesus is not saved.

Nope, that's a negative inference.  I did not say that.  I have asked people who claim that they have been saved in the past by Jesus blood, to show that they have been with scripture. 

So far, nothing.

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

I showed you how they were made righteous

what other covenant come on man. Tell me how you think they were saved (justified) 

Yes, while alive, by God but not by Jesus's sacrifice that will happen in the future.

If you cannot find the scripture to back your case, it's fine. Thanks for chatting.

[Eternally Gratefull]

3 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Yes, while alive, by God but not by Jesus's sacrifice that will happen in the future.

If you cannot find the scripture to back your case, it's fine. Thanks for chatting.

How can anyone saved apart from Christ?

I found the passage, If you want to deny it, and claim they were saved by any other means, Then please let me know how they were saved.

[Sparks]

18 minutes ago, Eternally Gratefull said:

How can anyone saved apart from Christ?

I found the passage, If you want to deny it, and claim they were saved by any other means, Then please let me know how they were saved.

Your 'scripture,' which is a question, does not mean that ANY people of the past WERE saved by Christ's blood sacrifice (like Abraham), and misses the mark as evidence that Jesus' blood saved anyone by His blood sacrifice, prior to His blood sacrifice.

God, being God, could have saved some people before Jesus died on the cross if He chose to, but that is not the same solution as Jesus blood sacrifice saving those same people in the past, who lived and died prior to His blood sacrifice.

You have not made your case, but thanks for chatting.  I won't be pursing this particular conversation with you anymore, but I welcome other conversations.

[Marathoner]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

You're really stuck on the idea that we have the freewill to choose.  Freewill to choose is not works.

If I offer you chocolate candy, you can accept or decline.  Neither action is work.

My friend, the topic pertains to words we've never heard (read) in the bible. The scriptures are clear that we were slaves of unrighteousness, so the notion that we're free to accept or decline something which was beyond our ability to perceive, let alone understand, is foreign to the scriptures. It isn't found in the scriptures. 

Your analogy falls short: the gift of God is faith and salvation, not chocolate candy. There's no comparison whatsoever. Perhaps you might show us where your analogy appears? Are there passages which support your position? I'm not aware of any, so I'd be grateful for the opportunity to learn.  

Edited April 5, 2021 by Marathoner

[Sparks]

25 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Your analogy falls short: the gift of God is faith and salvation, not chocolate candy. There's no comparison whatsoever.

A gift is a gift.  You can only accept one, or decline one.  If you try to buy it, it's no longer a gift. 

[Marathoner]

10 minutes ago, Sparks said:

A gift is a gift.  You can only accept one, or decline one.  If you try to buy it, it's no longer a gift. 

I asked for passages of scripture which support your position, seeing as how the topic pertains to words we've never heard in the bible. If this isn't something you're willing to do, that's fine. I won't press the matter further.  

[Guest clancy]

16 minutes ago, Sparks said:

A gift is a gift.  You can only accept one, or decline one.  If you try to buy it, it's no longer a gift. 

May I ask, how did “YOU”accept the gift of the Holy Spirit that indwells you.

How was that possible?

not looking for an argument,just trying to understand.?

Edited April 5, 2021 by clancy

[Sparks]

Just now, Marathoner said:

I asked for passages of scripture which support your position, seeing as how the topic pertains to words we've never heard in the bible. If this isn't something you're willing to do, that's fine. I won't press the matter further.  

I directly answered your question, and quoted it.  If you don't like the fact that others have taken this thread to this course (I try just to reply to what is asked), then sorry.

If you want evidence, I posted scripture already many times.  Did you miss it?

[Sparks]

1 minute ago, clancy said:

May I ask, how did you accept the gift of the Holy Spirit that indwells you.

How was that possible?

not looking for an argument,just trying to understand.?

Thank you for asking.  You simply pray to accept it.

I prayed to God asking Him for His forgiveness, and thanked Him for His gift of salvation, and for eternal life.

Many people make up their own prayers, but the instructions are in Romans, here:

(ESV) Romans 10:9-10 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

If you believe that the sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ is the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin, then know that God freely offers salvation to those who place their faith in the death and resurrection of Christ as sufficient payment for their sin.