Why do people ask questions for which there are no answers?

[Justin Adams]

10 minutes ago, Starise said:

And I see this across a wide range of Biblical subjects. There's the commonly accepted versions put out there by many pastors, and then there's what really happened. Sadly most who attend church never dig any deeper.

And then Providentially came the Q discoveries. These older texts PROVE that 'the Sons of God' were 'angels that sinned' Just as Peter and Jude mention. Dare we read 1st Enoch? The pulpit frowns on that since we do not want the congregation learning more that we know. The DTS has a monopoly on dispensational theology, so woe betide any preacher that goes against that pernicious doctrine... we need the tribulation and the rapture so we can keep selling books and sermon pod casts about the 'latest' threat and the 'latest' revelation. Keeping them looking over their shoulders ensure they will come by on Sunday to hear the latest. Step right up - check your brain in at the door and make checks payable to...

Yes, we are largely spoon fed. Why? Because we like it and feel comfortable. Hal Lindsay and Tim Lahaye are the only books we have on our shelves even though their prophesies have proven false. So just send us an update please. Duhh??

Edited April 30, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Starise]

13 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

And then Providentially came the Q discoveries. These older texts PROVE that 'the Sons of God' were 'angels that sinned' Just as Peter and Jude mention. Dare we read 1st Enoch? The pulpit frowns on that since we do not want the congregation learning more that we know. The DTS has a monopoly on dispensational theology, so woe betide any preacher that goes against that pernicious doctrine... we need the tribulation and the rapture so we can keep selling books and sermon pod casts about the 'latest' threat and the 'latest' revelation.

Yes, we are largely spoon fed. Why? Because we like it and feel comfortable. Hal Lindsay and Tim Lahaye are the only books we have on our shelves even though their prophesies have proven false. So just send us an update please. Duhh??

And I'm so glad there are people like you here that are very informed on these matters. This forum includes all Christians which is a wonderful thing. Additionally it is a guarantee that not all ears are receptive ears. People have sat under some of these teachings for years.

And as @debrakay mentions in her opening post, we certainly don't know all of it and won't know all of it until we receive full knowledge of all the hidden things.

Many can certainly know a lot more than they do. I don't claim to know even a percentage of all of it. Probably one of the most important things a Christian can have is an open and receptive mind when new information comes in that conflicts with previously held views, never sacrificing logic and the leading of the Spirit in the process.

And I look at it this way, Take a person who is a relatively new believer. What were they often correctly told? The devil is a liar and he wants to deceive mankind. They come to Christ. Now they are in a safe place, the church and it's teachings right? Often the answer is NO. To hear doctrine that contradicts the doctrine of a church they were maybe saved in is a tough pill to swallow. This would be the second time they are told someone has been lying. It was still Satan, but he has infiltrated churches. Which way to turn? They might just say forget church altogether in frustration. 

So I think many times it's a slow process to bring them around. Some will never come around. Some will take a very long time to come around. These are not dishonest people looking for lies. They are people who are genuinely seeking the truth only to walk into the door of a church where not all of it is taught. The church has become conformist in many cases.Conformist to the most commonly held, yet false views.

[Justin Adams]

1 minute ago, Starise said:

The church has become conformist in many cases. Conformist to the most commonly held, yet false views.

And that is why Darby set up the Dallas Theological Seminary, where members have to embrace the pernicious dispensational method of defining scripture. Who today even knows there is any other view? They will fight tooth and nail and misquote Revelation and Daniel forever in support of the wrong gospel. Surely they really know that none of the end times prophesies have ever transpired. Tim Lahaye, Hal Lindsay, Harold Camping and the like have always been wrong.
Why, because they see FUTURISM in Revelation and Daniel where little to none exists. There is no 7 year trib, no literal millennium, no pre trib rapture, no MOB, just none of the various silly ideas that come from a wrong reading of Revelation and Daniel.
They watch the news looking for the next disaster and forget the Power of the Spirit that is Ruling and Reigning in every believer today. (Not in some future event). We cower waiting for the 'rapture' so we can all be safe as the rest of humanity faces tribulation. Horrible.

There WILL be a final "Day of the Lord". The second coming!

[Starise]

As I'm sure you are well aware, you won't be winning any popularity contests talking about "silly ideas" in any mainline circles that teach these things. 

I believe many of the answers have deeper potential outcomes to some of these things. I am not trying to be intentionally vague. Lets take the MOB for instance. There were marks but I have never seen anything instituted world wide by a single entity that is tied to buying and selling, so I am presently open to a potentially different outcome. Neither am I anywhere near agreement with the likes of  Tim Lahaye, Hal Lindsay or Harold Camping so far as the end times are concerned.

I think many of my views probably fall into the same thinking as you, though I can't be sure. I am still not to a point in my thinking where all my views on the end times are concrete. I just know the Lord is coming back for us just like He promised us He would. I know we aren't insulated from trouble and trial down here.I know there has been an intentional effort to change biblical teaching on the end times brought in the back door by Jesuit trouble makers serving their king the pope. This teaching went from them into mainline protestant theological seminaries and is now taught as a factual account. Prior to the 1800's these teachings didn't exist in this way.

The correct teaching is not a "downer" for those who were mislead. It simply means events are slightly different. It doesn't mean we loose the Lord's hand of protection.It doesn't change the fact that we will be taken up to meet the Lord in the air. I don't believe that most Christians in looking around at what's happening in the world, while also looking at what has been happening for hundreds and hundreds of years can write off persecution in the future. Most importantly, it won't change God's plan which is the best plan. I think people tend to worry when it seems  their world looks shaky, even Christians. Probably why the rapture plan looks so appealing to many because it adds a sort of surety to their future outlook. Rest assured we WILL be taken up to meet the Lord and get new bodies. It's the when and the how that might be in error.

How important is end time eschatology to the believer? Let's say we're going to grandmas. We could go today or maybe in a  few months but we KNOW we are going to grandmas. Same with the Lord's return. I'm not saying end times study isn't important. I want to know all about it I can. An accurate informed view of the Bible is always better. Yet the end results will always be we will be with the Lord one day in new bodies blessed in ways we probably can't imagine.

[Justin Adams]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

As I'm sure you are well aware, you won't be winning any popularity contests talking about "silly ideas" in any mainline circles that teach these things

I am under no illusions that I am a nobody in particular. I am old and have seen and done a great deal. To be popular was not one of the ideals I could ever realize. a) because I do not care to, and b) because of 'a'. 

[Starise]

1 minute ago, Justin Adams said:

I am under no illusions that I am a nobody in particular. I am old and have seen and done a great deal. To be popular was not one of the ideals I could ever realize. a) because I do not care to, and b) because of 'a'. 

I sort of figured that. I'm getting to be the same way. Causes me to respect you all the more. Truth is better than popularity any day. 

[missmuffet]

21 hours ago, debrakay said:

I have been enjoying my time for the past couple of months here on Worthy.  Today it finally occurred to me that many people here ask questions for which there are no answers.  We can all speculate and discuss many different topics, not just pertaining to the bible, but many things.  Why is it that human begins what to know the answers to things which we can never be able to answer?  We know there is no definite answer but yet we still ask it.  Why are we always contemplating the unknown?  Only God will be able to explain many things when we stand before Him one day.  

For instance today in my scripture reading, Numbers 13:23 tells a about a single huge cluster of grapes found in the Promised Land.  This single cluster of grapes, loaded on a pole, took two men to carry it.  It does not say it was a branch of grapes.  It is a single cluster of grapes. THAT IS A HUGE SINGLE CLUSTER OF GRAPES!  Why is this verse in the bible?  How can a single cluster of grapes weigh so much that it requires two adult men to carry it?  Was each grape the size of a basketball?  What is God trying to tell us by including this in scripture? 

I have my own speculation that God was proving to the Israelites that this WAS the promised land and they could see it with their own eyes when they looked at the size of the grapes.  But what does this prove to us as the reader and the believer?  Expect the unexpected?  Watch for miracles? Never underestimate the power of God?  Where God leads you will be the Promised Land? 

I would love to hear other thoughts on this "grape" account and why we seek answers for unanswerable questions?

People are sometimes not happy with what the Bible is silent on and God has not given an answer. They want to fill in the missing words and give their own answer. There is a reason why God wants to keep some things unknown. I don't think it is a sin to speculate but that is all it is. 

[debrakay]

3 hours ago, Starise said:

I just heard a sermon where the pastor insisted the sons of God were not angels and there was no inbreeding. This is the standard "safe" line to take on the subject that pacifies almost everyone. This explanation makes the most sense to some people and requires the least amount of effort to accept for them.

I wonder how a honest pastor believes and teaches this part of scripture? To just brush it aside is wrong especially if that pastor truly believes that the entire bible is the word of God.  Pastors who throw out the tough ones will be held accountable moreso.

Genisis 6:1-4 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

[Justin Adams]

1 minute ago, debrakay said:

To just brush it aside is wrong

Find out the seminary they went to. That will tell you all your need to know.

[debrakay]

@Starise and @Justin Adams I really enjoy reading each of your thoughts about things.  Wise, mighty men of God are few and far between these days.  

IMHO there are many authors today who need to stick with fiction and stop trying to do prophsey and end times hysteria.  That and the billions of self-help books are some of my pet peeves.  I only have today and I am told not to worry about it.  If tomorrow comes I will have that day and will not worry about it.  We live in a world that wants instant gratification and instant answers.  The only problem is that many of the answers will not come while we breathe the air on this sphere.  

I was raised in the Methodist church and remember it being very boring.  At age 17 I converted to Catholiscism for a boy.  Married him. Divorced him after 10 years and 2 kids after much abuse. Joined a Foursquare spirit filled church and was born again.  The Foursquare church was governed by national and state administrative board directors.  At the time our little church had grown from 50 to 200 so they decided to move the pastor to a larger church in a city 100 miles away.  Our little church split when a new pastor came and taught a totally different message.  In 1984 there were about 10 families from many denominations who wanted to study the bible so we started a non-denominational church.  On average there are approximately 100 people in attendence to this day.  We have had 6 pastors in the past 37 years and the full congregation votes on the approval of a new pastor.  Two of the pastors retired and two of them stopped pastoring (extenuating circumstances), and one began another non-denominational church in another state.  Our newest pastor came to us last June in the middle of covid after the pastor retired.  We still study the bible and there is no administration or board of directors that governs our congregation.

I am sharing this, as who is pastoring and teaching plays a huge part in the beliefs and knowledge of the people and if that teaching is out of line with the word of God there is a problem.  A big problem.