Blasphemy against Holy Spirit ??

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings CWJ,

Not to start a big drift here, but I believe all names are entered in the book of lifefrom the foundation of the world. And not getting savedgets you blotted out.

When did you come by this understanding and why? I have my reasons for asking which I will talk about later. Send me a PM and perhaps we will start a new thread about this.

Blessings,

Dad ernie

[Catsmeow]

The sin of Ananias and Sapphira wasnt that they denied that the Holy Spirit was at work as much as they lied to God.

Suzie...I agree. Lying is a tremendous offense against God.

We might lie to each other and that's bad enough but we should never lie to God. Big mistake.

I remember one time when I was a new Christian I was talking to God. I did that a whole lot, everywhere I went I was "talking" to God or praying.

I remember I was actually joking with God and telling Him I changed my mind on something, {I don't even remember what it was} and I jested with the Lord, "Hey, I lied"...you know, new Christians do some DUMB things.

Well, God made sure I understood that you don't "joke" about things like that. I can't quite explain it in words ...let's just say I felt REAL funny. In my spirit I was aware that God was VERY displeased with my little jest and I quicky repented and said, "I was just kidding, Lord...just kidding..." I mean I was backpeddling.

Now, this is one of those things you normally just never talk about. Some experiences we have with the Lord we figure is just for our own benefit and edification.

It's hard to put this experience into words...especially over the net. I can tell you that God imprinted on my mind that lying to HIM is not an option...not even jesting about it. That's how serious it is.

Boy, did I back off quick and I knew that I wouldn't kid about that ever again.

Don't even ask me what happened. I can't explain it. But somehow I KNEW that I KNEW that I displeased God deeply.

I haven't felt it that strong EVER. Only that one time did I really feel like I was barking up the wrong tree.

[Guest suzie]

Cat-

That Holy Spirit that dwells in us can bring us quick comfort or conviction! I think we as believers have all felt that "feeling" of displeasing our God.....our God is a patient and loving God and most of all forgiving...thanks for sharing that with me cat.

Work-

You said:

"Anyway, as I am pondering that, would you reconcile what you said about removing themselves from God with the Scripture that says that nothing can separate us from the love of God? Because 'nothing' also includes ourselves, does it not?"

This is about a person who has become so hardened that he willfully rejects what he knows to be true. Even as it was clear that Christ performed his miracles by the Spirit of God, the Pharisees denied it and attributed it to Satan. They are hardened to the prompting of the Holy Spirit

[Guest shadow2b]

Greetings All,

Okay, I think we agree that "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" is an UNPARDONABLE sin. So let's take a look at several verses which I believe apply:

Mark 3:28-30 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Notice here that ALL sins, even "blaspheme" against the Son of Man CAN be forgiven, BUT the Blaspheme against the Holy Ghost will NEVER be forgiven. Here is a pretty clear definition of what Strong's says blaspheme is:

1) to speak reproachfully, rail at, revile, calumniate, blaspheme

Please note the "sin unto death" in the following:

Romans 6:16-22 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

1 John 5:16-18 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. 18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

From the context of these verses we see that a "true" Christian CANNOT commit the UNPARDONABLE SIN because "he that is begotten of God keepeth himself".

So do you also realize that there is ANOTHER UNPARDONABLE SIN? Read the following:

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

So let me suggest that the MoB and Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit are one and the same. In contrast to this for the true Christians we see:

Revelation 7:2-3 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

So we should also see EXAMPLE(s) given in the scriptures to show us just HOW "blaspheme of the Holy Spirit" might play out:

Acts 5:1-2 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Acts 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

Acts 5:9-10 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

Now the problem with Annanias & Sapphira was that the Holy Spirit was moving about touching the hearts of all the people to give all they had to the communal chest. But denying this, Annanias and Sapphira wanted to partake of the communal chest but still have some private stash for themself. They wanted their cake and eat it too. So in effect they denied that this was a move of the Holy Spirit or attributed to Him what amounted to be a lie. i.e. "I was led to give just this much by the Holy Spirit." When in fact, Peter knew differently, because the Holy Spirit was telling everyone to give WHOLE heartedly without reservation.

I realize I have to read into the text somewhat here, but whatever scenario you draw from the Annanias & Sapphira story, THIS WAS A SIN UNTO DEATH!

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

heyyyyyy DAD ----- man-o-man- I can always count on you for the very best scriptural info.----aren't you ashamed of yourself for being soooooooooo knowledgeable of scripture??.?? Isn't it even just a little bit embarrassing??.??

[tsth]

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying:

For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him:

if we deny him, he also will deny us:

13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful:

he cannot deny himself.

That is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, it is to deny Him.

In His Truth,

Suzanne

[Guest suzie]

Amen Suzanne.