The Light Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,078 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 202 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/17/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 hours ago, transmogrified said: Right - Say the dead and the living will be changed at the last trump at the second coming- but of course that wasn’t all the saints that were raptured because you had another rapture and resurrection for another set of people before the tribulation so you’re still not agreeing with Paul saying that all will be changed at the last Trump, you’re saying part of the Saints will be changed and part will be changed later at the last Trump. That is not what Paul said. Exactly what Paul said. He tells us in 1 Thes 4 that the dead in Christ rise first. They do. You don't want to accept that because it doesn't fit what you believe. Here's a thought. Change your beliefs to agree with scripture. Secondly Daniel 12 tells us MANY of them that sleep in the ground will be raised. Not all of them, many of them. That doesn't work for what you believe either. Daniel 12 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Bottom line, you either believe the scripture or you don't.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.61 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 36 minutes ago, The Light said: Absolutely Wow another incorrect conclusion. So you know nothing about the 7 seals? Have a nice life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 22 minutes ago, The Light said: He tells us in 1 Thes 4 that the dead in Christ rise first. They do I absolutely believe they rise first… but they don’t have to rise to have a glorified body .. both dead and living are get glorified bodies at the same time but the dead rise up into the air before the living - I also believe Dan. 12:2 - That is the one and only resurrection of all saints that happens at the second coming…?that’s how all the saints get up there to heaven so they can come down with him .. Dan. Is the same resurrection as 1Thess 4 and 2 Thess. 2… I believe all those that are in graves will hear his voice and come forth not in two phases.. not one part of people in the graves and then some other people in the graves at another time.. no- one resurrection at the second coming, at the last trump for all saints.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transmogrified Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 795 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 11 hours ago, FreeGrace said: And, there is NO "rapture", if one thinks they will be taken to heaven. Those still alive will meet the dead in Christ 'in the air' or 'in the clouds', but no higher. When all have their new glorified bodies, EVERYONE continues down to earth where the King holds the Bema (1 Cor 4:5), wedding supper (Rev 19:11-21) and sets up the MK (Rev 20). Amen and Amen! You are one of the few that realize the living do not go to heaven...they turn around in the clouds and continue on down with Jesus and the resurrected saints, as Jesus said 'those that sleep in Jesus will God bring with him...ON HIS WAY DOWN, BECAUSE HE IS DESCENDING, NOT ASCENDING.. ...Pre trib has Jesus turning around and going back to heaven...the truth is the living turn around in the clouds, and the dead turn around in heaven and follow Jesus on his trip down to the earth..and combining both the living and the dead we have 'ALL THE SAINTS COMING DOWN WITH JESUS...!! Fulfilling the scripture stating 'THE LORD MY GOD SHALL COME AND ALL THE SAINTS WITH THEE.' Jesus is always DESCENDING never ASCENDING ...as he said this is the SECOND COMING, not the SECOND GOING and as He said 'Thy kingdom COME...not 'thy kingdom GO.' Pre trib only has a way for the 'church age saints' to go up to heaven unless they try to patch up the error and make it worse by adding another rapture at the Second Coming...as Paul said 'We shall ALL be changed in a moment, in a twinkle of the eye, at the last trump...not part of us changed at one time, another part of us changed at another time, and some not changed at all, and all the saints do not come back with Jesus because they never got up there because there was no rapture for them according to Pre trib... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Light Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,078 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 202 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/17/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 43 minutes ago, DeighAnn said: Have a nice life I am. God has richly blessed me spiritually, physically and financially. I have seen the impossible many times. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added unto you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Light Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,078 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 202 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/17/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, transmogrified said: Amen and Amen! You are one of the few that realize the living do not go to heaven...they turn around in the clouds and continue on down with Jesus and the resurrected saints, as Jesus said 'those that sleep in Jesus will God bring with him...ON HIS WAY DOWN, BECAUSE HE IS DESCENDING, NOT ASCENDING.. ...Pre trib has Jesus turning around and going back to heaven...the truth is the living turn around in the clouds, and the dead turn around in heaven and follow Jesus on his trip down to the earth..and combining both the living and the dead we have 'ALL THE SAINTS COMING DOWN WITH JESUS...!! Fulfilling the scripture stating 'THE LORD MY GOD SHALL COME AND ALL THE SAINTS WITH THEE.' Jesus is always DESCENDING never ASCENDING ...as he said this is the SECOND COMING, not the SECOND GOING and as He said 'Thy kingdom COME...not 'thy kingdom GO.' This is what you think because you don't understand that the second coming occurs immediately after the tribulation at the 6th seal, before the wrath of God. Scripture is absolutely clear on this. 17 minutes ago, transmogrified said: Pre trib only has a way for the 'church age saints' to go up to heaven unless they try to patch up the error and make it worse by adding another rapture at the Second Coming...as Paul said 'We shall ALL be changed in a moment, in a twinkle of the eye, at the last trump...not part of us changed at one time, another part of us changed at another time, and some not changed at all, and all the saints do not come back with Jesus because they never got up there because there was no rapture for them according to Pre trib... Talk about twisting scripture. Paul also clearly says that the dead in Christ rise first. When the dead rise, they are given their incorruptible body. So both the dead and alive are not changed at the same time in 1 Thes 4 when the Church is raptured. The choice is always the same. Believe in the written Word of God or twist things around to make the Word fit what you believe. Just to be sure you understand, when the Lord comes for His Church, those that are watching and ready as instructed, are those that He will appear to. Those that stay here are going to have to decide if the aliens that they see fly up the street are real or just a hologram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Light Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,078 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 202 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/17/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, transmogrified said: I absolutely believe they rise first… but they don’t have to rise to have a glorified body .. both dead and living are get glorified bodies at the same time but the dead rise up into the air before the living Actually, if you knew your stuff, you would realize that the dead are taken to heaven and then He later returns for the alive that remained. He brings the dead with Him when He comes for the alive that remained. 1 Thes 4 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1 hour ago, transmogrified said: - I also believe Dan. 12:2 - That is the one and only resurrection of all saints that happens at the second coming…?that’s how all the saints get up there to heaven so they can come down with him .. Dan. Is the same resurrection as 1Thess 4 and 2 Thess. 2… I believe all those that are in graves will hear his voice and come forth not in two phases.. So you don't believe this........ Romans 11 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 1 hour ago, transmogrified said: not one part of people in the graves and then some other people in the graves at another time.. no- one resurrection at the second coming, at the last trump for all saints.. There are two raptures as clearly shown in scripture. The fig tree has two harvests, also there is a grain and fruit harvest. Jacob had two brides. One coming at the trump of God or voice of God and one coming at the Last Trump blown on the Feast of Trumpets. One coming when it's like the days of Noah when Noah enters the ark 7 days before the flood and one coming when it's like the days of Lot where the very day Lot leaves Sodom destruction comes. One coming the dead rise first and one coming the dead and alive are changed in the twinkling of an eye. The second coming occurs at the 6th seal after the tribulation and before wrath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boy Stan Murf Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.56 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 hours ago, The Light said: No. Don't cut anything out of the Bible OK, so instead you recommend ignoring certain passages... I see how this works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Light Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,078 Content Per Day: 1.11 Reputation: 202 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/17/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 21 minutes ago, Stan Murff said: OK, so instead you recommend ignoring certain passages... I see how this works. What was ignored other than your lack of understanding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boy Stan Murf Posted September 12, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.56 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Light said: What was ignored other than your lack of understanding? It was your lack of understanding that caused you to... not understand the plain reading of scripture. I run in to lots of folks that already have their mind made up and refuse to allow God's Word to get in the way of what they believe. Our gathering together unto Him (rapture) will not happen until there is a falling away (that's been going on for decades now) and the man of sin is revealed. Eisegesis is not your friend homie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.thumb.jpg.59eed8b93aa1c92d8b306f10811981dc.jpg)
Recommended Posts