Israel in Prophesy (still future vs 1948)

[other one]

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

There are gentiles in Jerusalem. If you notice the mount of Olives there is not split from east to west and a big valley formed as a result where Jesus judged the nations either..etc. There is no way to claim that the vengeance and all things prophesied have already happened. Therefore God di not bring back the saved Jews there yet. Grasping at straws to try to sort of make it sound like it is almost feasible is not an honest approach.

I think we have different ideas of what it takes to call Israel returned.  I seem to be looking at the start and you the result.  It doesn't happen over night.   And I resent being almost not honest.

[AandW_Rootbeer]

11 hours ago, dad2 said:

 

Nope, verse 22 points out that ALL must be fulfilled in this time of vengeance. Not just armies surrounding Jerusalem. That chapter has zero to do with God bring them back in history.

There is no such meaning of your post that pertains to Verse 22.  And you asked which Verse held to the prophecy of a city mentioned, not a state.    

[dad2]

50 minutes ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

There is no such meaning of your post that pertains to Verse 22.  And you asked which Verse held to the prophecy of a city mentioned, not a state.    

Yes, verse 22 says this

²² For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

All things include the prophesies of Daniel, Zechariah, Revelation, etc. Since 1948 (or 1967) we did not see all thing fulfilled. We did not see the return of Christ, the AntiChrist revealed, the bowls, or trumpets, or vials of Revelation. Nor the 2 witnesses, and on and on and on and on. And on. Nor did we see God bring Israel back and destroy their enemies, rule the world, keep them safe, or see Israel all be saved. The days were not the time you claim.

 

[dad2]

7 hours ago, other one said:

I think we have different ideas of what it takes to call Israel returned.  I seem to be looking at the start and you the result.  It doesn't happen over night.   And I resent being almost not honest.

The problem is that the start of when GOD brings them back is after the vengeance and repentance. Neither happened yet. You have a false start.

[AandW_Rootbeer]

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

Yes, verse 22 says this

²² For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

All things include the prophesies of Daniel, Zechariah, Revelation, etc. Since 1948 (or 1967) we did not see all thing fulfilled. We did not see the return of Christ, the AntiChrist revealed, the bowls, or trumpets, or vials of Revelation. Nor the 2 witnesses, and on and on and on and on. And on. Nor did we see God bring Israel back and destroy their enemies, rule the world, keep them safe, or see Israel all be saved. The days were not the time you claim.

 

Luke 24:22 discusses what Rome did to Jerusalem in 70 A.D.   Ever since then, the City of Jerusalem being conquered and Seized by Rome in 70 A.D., the Gentiles were Trodden down Jerusalem and have since then.   

 

But when Jerusalem became rights to Israel again, because the Victories of its military, The End of the Gentile Reign took place.

 

You clearly have a view of Matthew 24 that it is in question to what's actually being said here in Luke Verse 22.

Edited July 29, 2021 by AandW_Rootbeer

[dad2]

1 hour ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

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Luke 24:22 discusses what Rome did to Jerusalem in 70 A.D.   Ever since then, the City of Jerusalem being conquered and Seized by Rome in 70 A.D., the Gentiles were Trodden down Jerusalem and have since then.   

? Here is Luke 24:22

Luke 24:22

 

Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;

 

Try again!

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But when Jerusalem became rights to Israel again, because the Victories of its military, The End of the Gentile Reign took place.

Oh? So when the AntiChrist sits in the holy place there and reigns the world and dishonors God you think that means the gentile reign is over there!!? Or do you not believe the Scripture? In either case, sorry, your point is crushed.

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You clearly have a view of Matthew 24 that it is in question to what's actually being said here in Luke Verse 22.

Speaking of 'clearly' you should get the right chapter and verse. Then explain where I even mentioned Matt 24? Then you can tell us what you thought was being said in the verse.

 

[AandW_Rootbeer]

51 minutes ago, dad2 said:

 

Matthew, Mark, and Luke verify one another in the events that have been fulfilled alongside to the events that are still future.   And even along the side of history, we have many events accounted for that prove such fulfillment during the first period of Tribulation facing Jerusalem, the Temple, End to Daily Sacrifice (the AoD), and the Gentiles trodding down.

 

But we still have unfulfilled Scripture from those same three Gospels.   And best of all, it's not even a preterist point of view.

Edited July 29, 2021 by AandW_Rootbeer

[dad2]

5 minutes ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

Matthew, Mark, and Luke verify one another in the events that have been fulfilled alongside to the events that are still future.   And even along the side of history, we have many events accounted for that prove such fulfillment during both periods of Tribulation facing Jerusalem, the Temple, End to Daily Sacrifice (the AoD), and the Gentiles trodding down.

 

But we still have unfulfilled Scripture from those same three Gospels.   And best of all, it's not even a preterist point of view.

Not sure what you mean. What proves the tribulation? You seem to suggest it is over?

[AandW_Rootbeer]

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

Not sure what you mean. What proves the tribulation? You seem to suggest it is over?

The Wrath of God that Revelation Chapter 16 Verses 1-14 explain the Beginning of the Wrath of God till Second Coming in Verse 15.   Verse 16 takes us to Armageddon for more Wrath of God.

 

That is yet to come for us.

 

But in 70 A.D., a prophecy made some 37 years earlier by Christ Himself, that the Temple of God would be destroyed and that Daniel's Prophecy of the Abomination of Desolation would take place.

 

Christ literally begins in Verse 2 having His audience look at the Holy Temple and then told them it would fall and crumble and Daniel's Prophecy would be fulfilled.   And in this Prophecy from Christ, He even tells them how to escape by ordering the Judeans to hide in the hills. <an interesting point about 70 A.D. destruction is that hundreds of thousands of lives were shredded by the Roman Soldiers and the Christians in the hills hiding were basically all SAVED>

 

His Sheep knew His Voice and obeyed.

 

But during 70 A.D., a first Tribulation happens where multiple prophecies were fulfilled from Daniel, Matthew 24, and Luke 24:22 <AoD, Temple destroyed End of Daily Sacrifice, and Jerusalem was trodden by the Gentiles and the Gentiles began their reign over Jerusalem>

Edited July 30, 2021 by AandW_Rootbeer

[dad2]

2 hours ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

The Wrath of God that Revelation Chapter 16 Verses 1-14 explain the Beginning of the Wrath of God till Second Coming in Verse 15.   Verse 16 takes us to Armageddon for more Wrath of God.

 

That is yet to come for us.

 

But in 70 A.D., a prophecy made some 37 years earlier by Christ Himself, that the Temple of God would be destroyed and that Daniel's Prophecy of the Abomination of Desolation would take place.

 

Christ literally begins in Verse 2 having His audience look at the Holy Temple and then told them it would fall and crumble and Daniel's Prophecy would be fulfilled.   And in this Prophecy from Christ, He even tells them how to escape by ordering the Judeans to hide in the hills. <an interesting point about 70 A.D. destruction is that hundreds of thousands of lives were shredded by the Roman Soldiers and the Christians in the hills hiding were basically all SAVED>

 

His Sheep knew His Voice and obeyed.

 

But during 70 A.D., a first Tribulation happens where multiple prophecies were fulfilled from Daniel, Matthew 24, and Luke 24:22 <AoD, Temple destroyed End of Daily Sacrifice, and Jerusalem was trodden by the Gentiles and the Gentiles began their reign over Jerusalem>

There have been many times of tribulation. None of these were any part of the wrath of God of the Tribulation. For one thing believers are not appointed to wrath, so we will not even be here for it. The Great Tribulation also is of a fixed time it is 3 1/2 years in the final seven year period. Therefore no events in history are part of this yet. That includes the fulfilled prophesy of the destruction of the temple. Neither has the man of sin ever been revealed in history, and all others were mere shadows of what is to come, including that mad Greek guy who blasphemed many centuries ago, desecrating the temple etc. So in context here nothing in history was God bringing back Israel as the prophesies say, because that is fixed for a certain time. (after the Tribulation)