Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” Genesis 3:16

[JohnR7]

First of all, let's get this out of the way. The husband is to follow the example of Jesus. He is to sacrifice himself for his Bride and lay down his life for her. What I wonder is: what does this mean that the desire of the wife is for the husband?  Why do we desire Jesus? What draws us to Him.  

In the world they make it look like it is the men who are aggressive to chase after women who do not seem to be interested in them. I find just the opposite to be true, that the women are aggressive to chase after men even though they would never admit it. 

Even with the Taliban we are told that they want to force women into marriage and turn them into their own personal sex slaves. Hollywood directors want to force women onto their casting couches and governors want to abuse their power to take advantage of women. 

I have found out that most women have it figured out by the time they are 40.  That is why older women are to help younger women to understand how the game is played and what the rules are. It seems like if they want to victimize a women she has to be very young or even a minor. 

[johnthebaptist]

8 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

First of all, let's get this out of the way. The husband is to follow the example of Jesus. He is to sacrifice himself for his Bride and lay down his life for her. What I wonder is: what does this mean that the desire of the wife is for the husband?  Why do we desire Jesus? What draws us to Him.  

In the world they make it look like it is the men who are aggressive to chase after women who do not seem to be interested in them. I find just the opposite to be true, that the women are aggressive to chase after men even though they would never admit it. 

Even with the Taliban we are told that they want to force women into marriage and turn them into their own personal sex slaves. Hollywood directors want to force women onto their casting couches and governors want to abuse their power to take advantage of women. 

I have found out that most women have it figured out by the time they are 40.  That is why older women are to help younger women to understand how the game is played and what the rules are. It seems like if they want to victimize a women she has to be very young or even a minor. 

I don't believe it was the Lord's wish that a husband would rule over his wife. I think he was saying that, as a consequence of Eve's sin, husbands would rule over their wives.

[JohnD]

On 8/18/2021 at 8:40 AM, johnthebaptist said:

I don't believe it was the Lord's wish that a husband would rule over his wife. I think he was saying that, as a consequence of Eve's sin, husbands would rule over their wives.

Indeed.

The appeal of the serpent to Eve was to imply that she was being put upon... less than she could be... number three in a three person line...

And by being her own "god" she would best look after her own issues... or so she thought...

I agree, Adam was not lord over Eve in any way until after the fall. And as men have found out since then, it's no bowl of cherries having that responsibility and getting the guff we get. Most of us bow to being henpecked, equal in partnership (meaning she makes all the final decisions)... and there are consequences for this...

I'm reminded of the day of rewards for Christians in heaven when the Lord says "All the men who ruled their households stand to the right, the rest stand to the left."

One man stood to the right.

"Well done, my son." Said the Lord. "Tell us how you did it."

The man shrugged. "I'm just here because my wife told me to stand here."

{wink}

 

[JohnD]

I once did a study on the text in Hebrew which read the woman's desire is to be the man. But he will rule.

See

Jeremiah 31:22 (AV)
22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

Isaiah 4:1 (AV)
1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

That name: man

 

[missmuffet]

As God pronounces judgment on Eve for her part of the transgression in Eden, He says, “Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you” (Genesis 3:16). This verse causes some puzzlement. It would seem that a woman desiring her husband would be a good thing, and not a curse.

The Hebrew phrase in question does not include a verb and is literally translated “toward your husband your desire.” Since this judgment is predictive, the future tense verb “will be” is added for clarity: “Your desire will be for your husband.” The most basic and straightforward understanding of this verse is that woman and man would now have ongoing conflict. In contrast to the ideal conditions in the Garden of Eden and the harmony between Adam and Eve, their relationship, from that point on, would include a power struggle. The NLT translation makes it more evident: “You will desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you.”

God is saying that Eve would desire to rule over her husband, but her husband would instead rule over her. Replacing the mutually interdependent relationship the Lord had created was a desire for one spouse to lead the other. Sin had wrought discord. The battle of the sexes had begun. Both man and woman would now seek the upper hand in marriage. The man who was to lovingly care for and nurture his wife would now seek to rule her, and the wife would desire to wrest control from her husband.

It is important to note that this judgment only states what will take place. God says that man and woman will live in conflict and their relationship will become problematic. The statement “he shall rule over you” is not a biblical command for men to dominate women.

In the New Testament, God affirms His ideal relationship between man and woman in marriage. Christ-like qualities are emphasized. What the curse of sin created, believers in Christ are called to correct by living according to God’s Spirit. Ephesians 5 says that the wife should willingly submit to her husband’s authority in the home, in essence, refusing to scratch the curse-fueled itch to seize control (verses 22-24). Husbands are to love their wives unconditionally and sacrificially, just as Christ loves the Church (verses 25-30). The whole passage begins with an emphasis on mutual submission to one another: “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ” (verse 21).

From the beginning, God’s focus has been love and respect between husband and wife. Though sin has tainted the original beauty of this relationship, God commands believers in Christ to pursue this ideal relationship between husband and wife, an ideal perfectly illustrated in Christ’s relationship with the Church.

https://www.gotquestions.org/desire-husband-rule.html

Edited October 5, 2021 by missmuffet