The Need for a Future Millennium

[AandW_Rootbeer]

3 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Okay . Thank you for a simple summary .That's a classic literal approach to the "millennium".

I take this Thousand-Year reign in a very spiritual sense that Christ is reigning as we speak and the dead in Christ are reigning with him in heaven. All True Believers are in a sense reigning with Christ right now on Earth. 

Satan is currently bound for the Thousand Years ( figuratively of course for the completeness of time) in the sense that he cannot interfere with God's Plan of Salvation when of course he is causing all kinds of trouble now in the world of the unsaved. When a thousand years or completeness of time is expired and Satan is loosed out of his prison that means we are all in trouble. There will be deception and devil worship like you've never seen before and if you are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life you will fall prey to it no matter how much you say you are Christian. This will be the time of Great Tribulation. But immediately after the tribulation of those days the Lord Jesus Christ will come and gather his chosen who are left alive here, a.k.a. "the rapture".

Show me a 1,000 year period (where Satan is locked up) and the people on Earth are ALL worshiping Christ (no Buddhist, Muslims, Hinduism, hare krishna's, no other religions EXIST for 1,000 years but the Gospel of Christ is only belief for ALL People for 1,000 years)? From 70 A.D. to 2021?

 

Then show me a period, where Satan is released, People STOP worshiping God for a Short Time and then the White Throne Judgement?

 

 

I am specifically LOOKING FOR:

Show me a 1,000 year period (where Satan is locked up) and the people on Earth are ALL worshiping Christ (no Buddhist, Muslims, Hinduism, hare krishna's, no other religions EXIST for 1,000 years but the Gospel of Christ is only belief for ALL People for 1,000 years)?   <That would be a Mill Reign involving Christ!!

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[AandW_Rootbeer]

5 minutes ago, Josheb said:

That's a red herring. Revelation clearly teaches there is a rebellion when the 1000 years end. How is it ALL believing in Jesus would rebel? Revelation 20 does not say ALL will worship Jesus, or that there will be no other religions for 1000 years. 

No it is Not!

 

We have Mill Reign and People in Harmony with Christ!

(One Belief)  not the thousands that have been existing for 5,700 years

 

Satan is Released, some people get Deceived!

 

Then we go into White Throne Judgement!

 

That is Biblical Fact!

 

And You, ME, anyone READING, knows there has NEVER been a 1,000 year period like it before, like it now, so it is definitely Future Speaking!!

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[AandW_Rootbeer]

6 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

I'm sorry but that's not what I said or implied at all. From the time of Pentecost to this very day the Holy Spirit has been active in assuring God's word to be seeded in the hearts of those ordained to eternal life. At this time Satan is bound in the sense that he has absolutely no ability to stop it.

 But soon there will be a time where the Holy Spirit will no longer be with us and Satan will be loosed out of his prison ( or spiritual " hold" if you will) and deceive the nations a.k.a great tribulation period. It will only be at the end of that Great Tribulation when Christ comes that true believers will experience reigning "with Christ A Thousand Years"( or in other words for ever in the new heavens and earth ).

We know Christ is Reigning because what GOSPEL are WE Preaching, HIS!!

 

But there are Conditions to a Reign of Christ for 1,000 years!

 

If everyone is living and having all beliefs to choose from and Satan is Released, he don't have to do much Deceiving.

 

But, if all beliefs but the True Gospel is Existent during the Reign of Christ, NOW when Satan is Released [physically], it (makes sense) how he can Deceive People, because he is deceiving them from the ONLY BELIEF in Existence during the Mill Reign (Gospel of Christ)!

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[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Observation #1:

Nowhere in scripture will you read of "two"comings of Christ,  or a distinction between two comings separated by a literal thousand years. That should raise a red flag.

The truth is the only coming we read about is at the last day when everything is all wrapped up,  When salvation is complete along with the one and only  resurrection of mankind. It's actually that straightforward and  that simple. This is how our "Church fathers"always understood it ( not to say that they were perfect with every doctrine).

Hi Walter,

Could you address the 2nd resurrection as to what it is for and who it concerns? 

d

[AandW_Rootbeer]

2 minutes ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Observation #2:

Did not John receive the Revelation of Jesus Christ in a vision (v.10) ?  surely that would mean that the language can be  allegorical or spiritual in nature in many places ( I think that's quite obvious). So how can anyone be a hundred percent sure that the term "Thousand Years"has to be taken literally? If you go on a little word study and look up the word "thousand"or "thousand years" you might see what I'm saying.

But there are Conditions to a Reign of Christ for 1,000 years!

 

If everyone is living and having all beliefs to choose from and Satan is Released, he don't have to do much Deceiving.

 

But, if all beliefs but the True Gospel is Existent during the Reign of Christ, NOW when Satan is Released [physically], it (makes sense) how he can Deceive People, because he is deceiving them from the ONLY BELIEF in Existence during the Mill Reign (Gospel of Christ)!

 

Even if the Reign is 1,000 years or 100, it will have to meet the Condition that the Gospel of Christ is the ONLY BELIEF to choose from on Earth when Satan is Released to be Deceived!

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[AandW_Rootbeer]

And there (has NEVER) been a time period, where the Gospel of Christ, was the ONLY Belief to Choose from on Earth.   

So the Mill Reign will happen After Armageddon!!

 

That's when ALL Other Beliefs will be GONE!!

[AandW_Rootbeer]

...AFTER the Wrath of God is Completed!!

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[Marathoner]

Let us look to the Psalm which informs us when the reign of Christ, the anointed one of our Father, commenced.

The LORD says to my Lord:
“Sit at My right hand
Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”
The LORD will stretch out Your strong scepter from Zion, saying,
“Rule in the midst of Your enemies.”
Your people will volunteer freely on the day of Your power;
In holy splendor, from the womb of the dawn,
Your youth are to You as the dew. 
(Psalm 110:1-3 NASB)

Past and present tense, my friends. We know that when He ascended to heaven, our Lord sat down at the right hand of our Father.

So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. (Mark 16:19 NASB)

The opening passage of the Psalm has been fulfilled; our Lord rules in the midst of His enemies. This is also present tense for His enemies have yet to be destroyed as written in the closing passage of the prophecy. We also note that He is forever a priest after the order of Melchizedek --- a refutation of the restoration of the Levitical priesthood insisted upon by Darby and his assigns, modern futurists, third temple-ists, premillennialists, et. al.  

The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind,
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
The Lord is at Your right hand;
He will shatter kings in the day of His wrath.
He will judge among the nations,
He will fill them with corpses,
He will shatter the chief men over a broad country.
He will drink from the brook by the wayside;
Therefore He will lift up His head. 
(Psalm 110:4-7 NASB)

The day of the Lord is a recurring theme in Old Testament scripture, described as the great and terrible day of His wrath; the Psalm testifies this is the day of our Lord's wrath. The language of the Psalm is irrefutable. The prophet writes of our Father granting His Son all authority and rulership (sit at My right hand, and rule in the midst of Your enemies) until He makes His enemies a footstool for His feet. The present tense of His rulership is affirmed by the words of our Lord Himself, "And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me." (Matthew 28:18) 

The "millennium" is figurative, referring to an indeterminate period of time defined by the rulership of Jesus Christ as Lord God Almighty, who He has always been and always will be, forever. We know this period of time is indeterminate because only the Father knows the hour (Matthew 24:36) when He shall send His Son forth in the day of His wrath. Hence the return of our Lord is imminent as this can happen at any time. 

Let the apostle Paul inform us as to the order of things following the resurrection of Christ, when our Lord began to reign in the midst of His enemies. I have underlined key portions which illuminates the prophecy of Psalm. 

But the fact is, Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. For since by a man death came, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to our God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death. For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is clear that this excludes the Father who put all things in subjection to Him. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all. (1 Corinthians 15:20-28 NASB)

The prophets and the Lord's apostles have delivered the only eschatology worth keeping.  
 

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[FrankIeCip]

Sorry to jump in here. I can’t understand something “The rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.” So while I don’t see the 1000 years to be literal, I still can’t grasp a few things. Can someone help me out please? Thanks, Frank. 

[DeighAnn]

Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

 Spiritual or literal,  SPECIFIC OR VAGUE,  should we surmise/conclude/think/guess or take it as 'IS IT WRITTEN'? 
When we see 1000 is it given to help us relate to something is it a figure of speech?  
 

REV 20:7 and when SHALL HAVE BEEN COMPLETED  the 1000 years, will be released

and/or

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are EXPIRED, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
 

5055 teleo

eleó: to bring to an end, complete, fulfill
Original Word: τελέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: teleó
Phonetic Spelling: (tel-eh'-o)
Definition: to bring to an end, complete, fulfill
Usage: (a) I end, finish, (b) I fulfill, accomplish, (c) I pay.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5055 teléō (from 5056 /télos, "consummation, completion") – properly, to complete (consummate), i.e. finish (qualitatively) the necessary process – with the results "rolling-over" to the next level (phase) of consummation. See 5056 (telos).
[This root (tel-) means "reaching the end (aim)." It is well-illustrated with the old pirate's telescope, unfolding (extending out) one stage at a time to function at full-strength (capacity effectiveness).]

finish, accomplish
From telos; to end, i.e. Complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt) -- accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, perform.

 

 

1Peter 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.


EITHER THESE THINGS HAVE taken place and we are living under these conditions
or
THEY HAVE NOT 
even IF MANY 'PARTS OF IT' may have.  


What IS WRITTEN about the return of Christ? 
 
The two witnesses have laid in DEAD in the streets for 3 1/2 days and within same hour they rise Christ returns
On white horse
with armies (in clouds)
EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW
as the lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west
Brightness destroys Satan
dead raised, rest changed to incorruptible
the temple of God is opened in heaven,
is seen in His temple the ark of his testament
lightnings and voices and thunderings 
an earthquake and great hail
signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars
distress of nations with perplexity
the sea and the waves roaring
on the face of the whole earth


His REIGN will be with a ROD OF IRON when Satan is bound for the 1000 years

shall break them with a rod of iron;
dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel
All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD
all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee
He will judge the people righteously and govern the nations upon earth
all the ends of the earth shall fear him.
God will beat down his foes before his face and plague them that hate him
the loftiness of man shall be bowed down 
the haughtiness of men shall be made low
the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
the idols he shall utterly abolish.
shake terribly the earth.
Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils for wherein is he to be accounted of ?

with righteousness shall he judge the poor
reprove with equity for the meek of the earth
he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins
faithfulness the girdle of his reins
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb and
the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and
the calf and the young lion and the fatling together
the cow and the bear shall feed
the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain
the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and HIS rest shall be glorious.
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

Isaiah 11:14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

Isaiah 11:15 And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

Isaiah 11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Isaiah 12:1 And in that day thou shalt say, O LORD, I will praise thee: though thou wast angry with me, thine anger is turned away, and thou comfortedst me.

Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Isaiah 12:3 Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.

Isaiah 12:4 And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.

Isaiah 12:5 Sing unto the LORD; for he hath done excellent things: this is known in all the earth.




 

Isaiah 12:6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.



a FEW changes that will take place  ALL OF THEM WILL HE TRUE ALL OF THEM AND UNTIL ALL OF THEM ARE TRUE THEN HE IS NOT REIGNING ON EARTH NOT IN THE MIDST OF US

KEEPIN IT SHORT   d