Catholics and Salvation

[Pax]

I have talked to one Catholic who says they are

[Pax]

John 3:16: For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever would BELIEVE, would not perish but have life eternal.

The 2 thieves on the cross demonstrate it was by faith that one was saved.

I agree that TRUE faith should move us to WORKS.... and that works is a reflection of our faith walk.... but not everyone is a Mother Theresa or Billy Graham.

If your premise is true, that our works reflect our salvation that you need to be concerned for every Catholic monk who lives a monastic life for they do no works for the betterment of humanity...

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JAR61,

Do you believe in the power of prayer? If you don't you should. A Catholic Monk, or Sister who gives their life to pray for you and I is a tremendous person. Do you think it is work to live in a monastery away from friends or family or any of the conviences of the outside world for the rest of ones life simply to pray? This is one of the greatest acts of work.

[Trust & Obey]

I have talked to one Catholic who says they are  a "catholic christian"  I have heard thing from this person like praying to their dead mother because she's close to Jesus the they are.  This person is  wondrful  but works seem to be the main theme on salvation.  When asked if they have ever accepted Christ they say yes.  I can only pray they know the truth according to the word of God and not to the Catholic church.

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Where did the word of God come from? It was oral tradition, inspired by the holy spirit and written down by the early church fathers. And guess what, they were Catholic. So when you open up your Bible to read scripture, be sure to thank the Catholic Church for giving you a Bible to read.

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Sorry, Pax. It wasn't "oral tradition" at all. The Word of God was literally God-breathed.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be perfected, thoroughly furnished to every good work.

Men wrote exactly as they were led by the Holy Spirit.

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

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T&O,

Go back and look at what I wrote, I said that it was oral tradition, Divinely Inspired by the holy spirit and written down. God Breathed and divinely inspired mean the same thing. The Apostles walked with Jesus Christ. They passed on what they learned and witness by oral tradition to disciples that came later. Eventually this was written down. Thus we have the bible.

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So the oral tradition is the Bible? I thought you were referring to it as extra-biblical authority.

[NITE OWL]

[NITE OWL]

Pictures of your son and pictures of God are two different things.

You know what I meant

We'll give it a bit more time...

[Fiosh]

Pictures of your son and pictures of God are two different things.

You know what I meant

We'll give it a bit more time...

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Sometimes my son thinks he IS a god!

Ok, seriously now.....

and pictures and statues of saints, are the same as pictures of my family. They are people I admire. People I try to emulate. Sometimes even people I adore.

They are not people I worship.

That's my point.

[NITE OWL]

Pictures of your son and pictures of God are two different things.

You know what I meant

We'll give it a bit more time...

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Sometimes my son thinks he IS a god!

Ok, seriously now.....

and pictures and statues of saints, are the same as pictures of my family. They are people I admire. People I try to emulate. Sometimes even people I adore.

They are not people I worship.

That's my point.

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It's getting late and I have nothing to do tomorrow, so before I leave, I want you to ponder this...

Is there someplace in the bible that states that it is ok to paint a picture, make a statue, or any other work of art that depicts the image of God?

Even if we don't worship them, does the bible tell us that it is ok for us to have them?

Give that some thought before you answer.

See you in the AM.