Do angels have wings ? Were they created with wings ? Or an illusion people saw ?

[grumix8]

The bible refers that malakim is the way how Judaism called angels, the word angel comes from the word “Angelos” greek meaning messenger truth be told they are powerful beings and the order how angels were portay by the catholic church are wrong. The catholic portays them as human and child-like they were never that figure. But in biblical times the bible says it prohibits the israelites from depicting things from heaven.

20:4 exodus

You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.

This is case that angels could not be depicted and painted and most the images in the internet and the catholic paintings from the renassaince are wrong. Angels are being we cannot see with the naked eye, only the prophet Ezekiel says in A vision A sight of the Lord with his angels.

Ezekiel 10:1-22

That is closest what is described even though angels appear to him, How did this portrayal of angels in a good vs evil appears that angels will destroy each other

in the celestial war ?

Zoroastrianism

Is the influence that Catholic, Judaism, and Modern-Day Christian fall for it, It teaches that good and evil exist in the plane of angels heirarchy and angels all have wings and all are special beings. such as its monotheism, messianism, belief in judgement after death, conception of heaven and hell, and free will may have influenced other religious and philosophical systems. Even though Judaism predates it even before the exile of babylon the kingdoms of Judah and Israel worshipped other Gods and accepted influence from other religions. Zoroastrianism influence it all and this concept of angels and demons arouse.

What is the closest we know on how the angels really look like, how the lord is in his throne with them is

hebrews 12:29 for our “God is a consuming fire.”

It is reference of what power he is made of and the angels around him are made of fire like his because he is so powerful other ranks of angels under Seraphim, Cherubins, and Ophafins ( Thrones ) can be near him.

G-d is not men or women in appearance but fire he can come down here as man but in heaven his body is fire !!!

The angels are made of his fire and can withstand his enormous power

. The question do angels have wings ? some do and some don’t their is heirarchy that exist but for christians Seraphims are the high order the top but for hebrew (Judaism) chayot ha kadesh are the higher caste but here is an example.

Maimonides

he puts heirarchy like this

Rank Angelic Class Notes

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1 Chayot Ha Kadesh [21] See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
2 Ophanim See Ezekiel 1 and Ezekiel 10
3 Erelim See Isaiah 33:7
4 Hashmallim See Ezekiel 1:4
5 Seraphim See Isaiah 6
6 Malakim Messengers, angels
7 Elohim “Godly beings”
8 Bene Elohim “Sons of Godly beings”
9 Cherubim See Hagigah 13b
10 Ishim “manlike beings”, see Genesis 18:2 Daniel 10:5

then the christian one

1: Seraphims

2:Cherubins

3:Thrones (Ophanims)

4.Dominations

5.Virtues

6.Powers

7.Principalities

8.Archangels

9.Angels

are the order of christians.

But because of the flood, the destruction of the temple of Solomon when babylon attacked, and other times history is destroyed in Israel by this calamities we do not know the way is organized and rabbi’s say that great information was lost in this incidents of history we do not know how the order is ?

Some scholars say Chayot Ha Kodesh are indeed Archangels so the order maybe switched.

So where does it says angels have wings ? one part says it.

When moses made the ark God instructed him to put wings on the cherubs !

1 kings6:27

27And he placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple. Since their wings were spread out, the wing of the first cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the second cherub touched the other wall, and in the middle of the room their wingtips touched.

It shows the ark was made with cherubs and their wings.

Where does it say they don’t have wings ?

The ophanims ( Thrones)

they do not have wings

Ezekiel 1:15-21

As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.

When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
No where in this part do they have wings.

There is error that people see angels like child-like babies that have wings and the Catholic church depicted them as cherubs such A way and the bible never said they look like that but powerful creatures with 4 wings of the Lord !!! People the eyes are fooled for what they see and people who saw angels cannot see the whole being for it is A being of fire.

A fire more greater than suns but what does the bible say about Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel aren’t they archangels shouldn’t they be Chayot Ha Kadesh the truth is Raphael and Uriel are not real they are not God’s angel another error of history they were created by the catholic church. They do not appear in the tanak or bible no aprt. The bible only talks of 2 angels and they are Mikael and Gavriel they are the angels G-d sends to talk to his prophets.

Raphael is made up just like the baby cherubs, also Uriel they are not part of the old testament they do not appear only in the apocryphals books.

So Raphael and Uriel are not bible based but made up.

[Marathoner]

In all fairness, Raphael and Uriel are mentioned in apocryphal books (1 Enoch, Second Esdras, and the Book of Tobit) so we won't find their names in the 66 books we're familiar with today. If this were a matter of importance to the Lord, then their names would surely appear in the canon.

Those apocryphal books predate The Vatican by quite a few centuries so we can't attribute Raphael and Uriel as creations of Rome, my friend. Lest we forget that the evil one was a covering cherub as the words of the prophet testify:

You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you.
(Ezekiel 28:14-15 NASB)

Verses 11-19 speak of the deceiver who was "in Eden, the garden of God" (verse 13a). 

Therefore, Michael and Gabriel are not the only holy ones named in the canon of scripture.  

Agreed that the generic depiction of holy ones (sons of God) with wings is an unscriptural contrivance for the most part, since only specific servants of the Most High are described as possessing wings. An excellent example are the living beings of Ezekiel's vision (chapter one). We may infer that the holy ones closest to the throne of Almighty God are winged. 

[Justin Adams]

2 hours ago, Marathoner said:

Those apocryphal books predate The Vatican by quite a few centuries so we can't attribute Raphael and Uriel as creations of Rome, my friend.

Quite correct. All the 'moderns' seem to know came from Milton's Paradise Lost - a pure fiction.

[grumix8]

I do not like the deciever his name is there but also Azazel's name, okay it is true the story predates the vatican but the catholic church still puts it in it's bible. Fairly Raphael is not in the Tanakh or the bible he cannot be verified. Angels some of it's heirarachy have wings and other don't but the modern world believe they are kid like or human by creation and painted in classic art.

[The_Patriot21]

Didnt jacob wrestle with am angel? In order to wrestle one would have to have seen it...

[Justin Adams]

49 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Didnt jacob wrestle with am angel? In order to wrestle one would have to have seen it...

Jacob wrestled with the Angel of the Lord. The second YHWH figure. The pre-incarnate Yeshua.

[missmuffet]

Most of the angels do not have wings. There are two kind of angels that do have wings which are the cherubim and seraphim. Angels are male. They do not need wings to fly. 

[Marathoner]

50 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Jacob wrestled with the Angel of the Lord. The second YHWH figure. The pre-incarnate Yeshua.

Indeed. No man has seen the Father so when man sees God, they have witnessed His Son who is His express image. The angel of YHWH is representative of the Lord God Almighty --- the Son of God who has always been God --- revealing Himself to man. 

If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you for so long a time, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? The one who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own, but the Father, as He remains in Me, does His works." (John 14:8-10 NASB)

All things are revealed in Jesus/Yeshua, who spoke plainly of those things veiled in ancient times. 

Jacob (Israel) declared that he had seen God face to face and lived (Genesis 32:30). Jacob didn't interact with a mere messenger.  

 

[Marathoner]

2 hours ago, grumix8 said:

I do not like the deciever his name is there but also Azazel's name, okay it is true the story predates the vatican but the catholic church still puts it in it's bible. Fairly Raphael is not in the Tanakh or the bible he cannot be verified. Angels some of it's heirarachy have wings and other don't but the modern world believe they are kid like or human by creation and painted in classic art.

No disagreement regarding fanciful depictions of "angels" in iconic artwork. This was plainly influenced by other traditions. 

We should also remember that visions recorded in scripture are symbolic in expression --- for example, certain holy ones are depicted as stars --- and so the attributes of beings featured in visions from the Lord possess symbolic meaning. The living creatures (living beings in Ezekiel's first vision) around the throne of the Almighty stand out in this regard. Based upon what we know from the body of scripture, covering cherubs are different from other holy ones of God. 

Then there are the princes, of which Michael is one. From what we read in the Book of Daniel a prince is mighty indeed. In my opinion, there is a correlation between these princes and stars. 

My friend, who among us is fond of the deceiver? Nevertheless, he was a covering cherub before unrighteousness was found in him. 

Edited December 22, 2021 by Marathoner

[Marathoner]

I believe the relevance of certain holy ones being named is patently obvious. Michael, for example, is the prince of Israel. Israel is revealed as the holy nation of God, not to be confused with a polity of man (nation of this earth). All who are in Christ have been grafted into Israel --- there is no Jew nor Gentile in the Son of God --- and so all of the sons and daughters of God (Abraham's seed) belong to Israel. 

Gabriel is sent by the Lord to minister to His servants and chosen ones according to His purpose, declaring the edicts of the Lord to men like the Watchers mentioned in the book of Daniel (Nebuchadnezzar's dream). Not all of the Watchers left their first estate so in my opinion (just an opinion of course), Gabriel is a Watcher. Again, there are subtle distinctions between these spirits who are our brethren and fellow servants of the Almighty.