OneLight Posted November 20, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 20, 2009 Thanks OneLight . . . was just trying to keep up . . . You're welcome. Hope you can do a better job then me on keeping up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massorite Posted December 4, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,973 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/26/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/13/1953 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Ive heard 2 ideas on this. One will be that he will be the leader of the EU. The other I have heard is that the beast will come back disguised as Pope John Paul 2. Then counting this one . . . if you read it, make's 3 Exactly! Ideas alone, and speculation. Is that a good thing? I would venture to say no? Speculation is not a problem. Believing such speculation is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massorite Posted December 4, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,973 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/26/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/13/1953 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Ive heard 2 ideas on this. One will be that he will be the leader of the EU. The other I have heard is that the beast will come back disguised as Pope John Paul 2. Then counting this one . . . if you read it, make's 3 Exactly! Ideas alone, and speculation. Is that a good thing? I would venture to say no? That's the problem. Speculation based on the incorrect assumption that the book is primarily about future events. It isn't. It's primarily about PAST events, specifically the punishment of Jerusalem double for her sins and the destruction of the Temple and the ushering in of the Meesianic Age. Revelation 4:1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen1 Posted December 4, 2009 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 24 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/30/1963 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Agreed, Preterism is a bankrupt theology with no answers for future exegesis of the prophetic scriptures .... in fact those who hold this position are in the classification of the scoffers of the last days [2Peter 3:3-4] Here is the first beast of Revelation [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1; 17:8] .... he is a fallen angelic who will do satan's bidding on the earth during the coming tribulation period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted December 4, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,041 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 426 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 Ive heard 2 ideas on this. One will be that he will be the leader of the EU. The other I have heard is that the beast will come back disguised as Pope John Paul 2. Then counting this one . . . if you read it, make's 3 Exactly! Ideas alone, and speculation. Is that a good thing? I would venture to say no? That's the problem. Speculation based on the incorrect assumption that the book is primarily about future events. It isn't. It's primarily about PAST events, specifically the punishment of Jerusalem double for her sins and the destruction of the Temple and the ushering in of the Meesianic Age. Revelation 4:1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen1 Posted December 4, 2009 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 24 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/30/1963 Share Posted December 4, 2009 AC was either confused, or attempting to deceive The temple in Revelation 11:1 is the Lord's temple in heaven just as all of Revelation's references to the temple The court on the earth is the top of the temple mount ..... the court "without" the Lord's temple which was destroyed long ago It is the temple mount on the earth that will be controlled [overrun and occupied] by the beast and his followers for 42 months during the last 1260 days of the 70th week decreed for Israel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted December 4, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,041 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 426 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 AC was either confused, or attempting to deceive The temple in Revelation 11:1 is the Lord's temple in heaven just as all of Revelation's references to the temple The court on the earth is the top of the temple mount ..... the court "without" the Lord's temple which was destroyed long ago It is the temple mount on the earth that will be controlled [overrun and occupied] by the beast and his followers for 42 months during the last 1260 days of the 70th week decreed for Israel Now we have your opinion as well as Adam Clarke's . . . and . . . maybe you are the one attempting to deceive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen1 Posted December 4, 2009 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 24 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/30/1963 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Maybe I am not Seek the Lord and His Word with proper motive and He will lead you into all truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted December 4, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted December 4, 2009 In Daniel, the beasts are representative of nations-kingdoms. Why should the rules change in Revelation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lekh l'kha Posted December 4, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 830 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/14/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted December 4, 2009 In Daniel, the beasts are representative of nations-kingdoms. Why should the rules change in Revelation? Exactly And in Daniel, a "mountain" also represents nations-kingdoms. "The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits." Five had fallen by the time John received the Revelation, one existed at the time John received the Revelation, and the other had not yet come. Each "mountain" had its own king, and the beast that rises from the abyss is the 8th king, but is "of the seven". Does this tell us that the beast that rises from the abyss is a king? Well, the Revelation says he is a king. Perhaps the fact that we are told that the 8th king is "of the seven" means that the 8th king will rule over the seventh kingdom, and that there is therefore no 8th kingdom (or at least, the 8th kingdom will be the Kingdom of Christ, whose resurrection from the dead on the 8th day is recorded in the 8th division of Matthew's gospel, and of whom the Greek gammatria of His name is 888)? Perhaps the 8th king from the abyss is an antichrist, an impostor, but is "of the seven" kingdoms? The 8th king ASCENDS from the lowest place - the abyss - and is destroyed by the true 8th King who DESCENDS from the highest place - the throne of God in the third heaven. The coming of the one from the abyss is with miracles, power and lying wonders? The coming of the One from heaven is with real miracles, signs and wonders. Faith in and worship of the one from the abyss results in judgment for sins and eternal condemnation (Revelation 14). Faith in and worship of the One from heaven results in forgiveness for sins and eternal life. Etc, etc, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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