It is all about the Forgiveness of Sins

[Christian Believer]

It is all about the forgiveness of sins. The forgiveness of sins is the main pillar of our Christian faith. Without it there is no relationship with God. The moment of the day we are renewed through the Lord's Prayer, God pours out His blessings!

It is very clear throughout the scripture that God’s main focus was always about providing a redemption plan for sins. He knew this since before creation and executed it perfectly throughout history. What was the whole purpose of the Jewish religion and the Moses law etc.? Redemption (old covenant). What was the main purpose of the coming of Jesus? Redemption (new covenant). 

Many Christians today are thinking, we’re good people, never hurt anyone, keeping to ourselves… what sins do we need forgiven? But the reality is, we all start sinning the moment we wake up in the morning. The brain takes us in all kinds of directions (Matthew 5:28, Mark 7:21-23). Some sins can be against God, not necessarily hurting anyone. 

When we sin, God separates Himself from us. At that moment we are “wicked” in His sight. Yes, He’ll forgive us later, but after we ask Him to. When we’re done sinning, He’s not going to assume we want Him back. So, Jesus gave us the Lord’s Prayer as the proper way to reconcile with God. 

Saying that the Lord’s Prayer is to be recited daily for the forgiveness of sins, is consistent with other teachings from Jesus. Matthew 18:21-22, Jesus said “… forgive him seventy times seven…”, which is the same as saying just keep on forgiving him; stop counting – every time he comes back to you and asks for forgiveness, forgive him. Then He gave a parable about this likening it to the Kingdom of God. So, we too should keep asking God for forgiveness – daily.

This reality may seem strange to you at first. This is because churches have brainwashed us into thinking differently for years. But keep looking at it and studying the Bible references. You'll see it clearly. And remember, praying the Lord's Prayer daily is not "works". It is obedience.

How did it all get started?

Adam and Eve sinned - the fall. God made clothes for them out of animal skins, Gen 3:21. Implying that animals had to be killed, as sacrifices for the forgiveness of their sins. Which also meant He gave them specific instructions on how to present sacrifices to Him when they sin. God gave the specific instructions then, and God gave us the specific instructions now, the Lord's Prayer.

God’s instructions to Moses in the Books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, hundreds of commandments, were given to the Jews in the desert. In those early days when the Jews learned the law from Moses, these commandments were precisely and perfectly performed daily by the Levites, designated by God to be the priestly tribe for executing the ceremonial law on behalf of the Jewish people. With the ceremonial law met, their sins were forgiven. As a result, God lived among them, in the form of a smoke pillar by day, and a fire pillar by night (Exo 13:21). God was only able to do this after their sins were forgiven. He would not have been able to otherwise. During that time, God’s blessings poured on them. Protected them from the Egyptians, daily food provided in the desert, etc. Today, we know that that was God’s preparatory provision until the coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. 

The main point here is, that the Jews actually carried-out all these difficult precise requirements and repeated them daily (example in Num 28:3-8), for the forgiveness of sins. But today, if you tell someone you have to recite the Lord’s Prayer daily for the daily renewal and forgiveness of sins, they complain. “Do I have to say it daily?…” 

Churches today went too far with interpreting the new covenant. Yes, Jesus fulfilled the Leviticus law, and there’s no more need for ceremonial sacrifices. In abolishing the ceremonial law, churches mistakenly also abolished the daily fellowship with God. Saying the Lord’s Prayer daily is not ceremonial law. His sacrifice on the cross morphed us from the daily repeating hundreds of difficult animal and other sacrificial Leviticus requirements, to simply become the daily recital of the Lord’s Prayer to receive the Bread of life from God, and then the Holy Spirit can dwell within us, Luke 11:13. 

The daily reciting of the Lord’s Prayer is also our daily fellowship with God, as He always desired. God is the same always. He has the same unchanging Personality. He always wanted daily fellowship with us. From the days of Adam (Gen 3:8), to the daily manna that couldn’t be hoarded more than one day (Exo 16:4), to the ceremonial law of daily sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins (Leviticus and Numbers), to the Lord’s Prayer today (Matthew 6:9-13 and Luke11:2-4).

If you insist on following the teaching of the churches today: “all you have to do is declare belief one time and you’re done”, then God will definitely say He never knew you on judgement day (Matthew 7:23: "Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’"). Note that in the Bible it is made clear that in God's sight anyone who's sins are not forgiven, is an "evildoer". Yes, even the nicest person on earth, can be an evildoer if their sins are not forgiven.

 

 

[Sower]

24 minutes ago, Christian Believer said:

When we sin, God separates Himself from us. At that moment we are “wicked” in His sight. Yes, He’ll forgive us later, but after we ask Him to. When we’re done sinning, He’s not going to assume we want Him back. So, Jesus gave us the Lord’s Prayer as the proper way to reconcile with God. 

Hi Christian Believer, and welcome to the forum.
You may not know it, or have forgotten, but born again saved believers, Christians, are indwelt with the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit. Forever.....God will never leave us or forsake us (His words in the Bible). Even when we sin, and everybody sins according to God (1st John-1)
You do not 'loose' God when you sin, but confess, admit, you have sinned and your fellowship (for you) will return with God.
God's fellowship never left, but our sins cause us shame and we are not as comfortable as when we are striving to do his will. Saying the Lords prayer is good. But not some necessary requirement to 'get' God back after sinning.
If you are born again from above, Christian Believer, and sin, He never leaves you. Forever rest in HIS word...

PS.
I do not recite repetitious prayers as I used to do when I was catholic. The bible warns against that.
I just simply talk to God throughout the day, confessing sin when I fall,  asking for help with things, thanking Him for His blessings, and else anything that comes to mind. He already knows our thoughts.
The bible says....'Pray without ceasing'

[Christian Believer]

Hello Sower,

Thank you sir. Yes I know many churches teach this. But after years of studying the Bible, God has revealed to me much that I've become rebellious to some church teachings. Churches have a tendency to settle in their ways, based on previous generations interpretations. No one ever questions anything. Yes there are verses that support what you said. But there are thousands of other verses that elaborate on them and provide more clues. Here is my alternative view.

I humbly do agree with some of what you said, but have a problem with this part: God will stay in us during our sin. God even separated from His own Son Jesus when He poured the world's sin on Him on the cross (Mark 15:34: Jesus’ cry, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). And that was not a one-time exception in the case of Jesus because it was a lot of sin poured out on Him. Whether a lot of sin or little, God and the devil cannot be together. The Holy Spirit and sin cannot be together. The Holy Spirit re-enters when we say the Lord's Prayer. Consider Luke 11:13, for example:

Luke 11:13
Jesus said this right after he taught them His prayer. God is giving the Holy Spirit, “to those who ask Him”. This means, God will not give you the Holy Spirit unless you ask. But Jesus is clarifying here that by renewing yourself (daily through His prayer), you’ll be cleansed and make-way to receive the Holy Spirit.

I know I'm bringing different views here. But it is all based on biblical references, not just me saying.

Lovingly,

Christian Believer

[Sower]

11 minutes ago, Christian Believer said:

Hello Sower,

Thank you sir. Yes I know many churches teach this. But after years of studying the Bible, God has revealed to me much that I've become rebellious to some church teachings. Churches have a tendency to settle in their ways, based on previous generations interpretations. No one ever questions anything. Yes there are verses that support what you said. But there are thousands of other verses that elaborate on them and provide more clues. Here is my alternative view.

I humbly do agree with some of what you said, but have a problem with this part: God will stay in us during our sin. God even separated from His own Son Jesus when He poured the world's sin on Him on the cross (Mark 15:34: Jesus’ cry, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). And that was not a one-time exception in the case of Jesus because it was a lot of sin poured out on Him. Whether a lot of sin or little, God and the devil cannot be together. The Holy Spirit and sin cannot be together. The Holy Spirit re-enters when we say the Lord's Prayer. Consider Luke 11:13, for example:

Luke 11:13
Jesus said this right after he taught them His prayer. God is giving the Holy Spirit, “to those who ask Him”. This means, God will not give you the Holy Spirit unless you ask. But Jesus is clarifying here that by renewing yourself (daily through His prayer), you’ll be cleansed and make-way to receive the Holy Spirit.

I know I'm bringing different views here. But it is all based on biblical references, not just me saying.

Lovingly,

Christian Believer

God does not look upon sin, as Jesus cried out.
When the Father, God, sees me, he does not see my sins.
As I have been born again, I am saved by the blood of Jesus my savior.
God the father sees the blood covering, His own son's blood, and not my sin.

[Christian Believer]

Yes a church teaching says that. But which Bible verse says it?

I have provided many Bible references supporting my points. Although the credit goes to God; He revealed them to me. Please forgive me for saying, maybe one needs to be born again from whatever he's in, in order to see clearly. Using the term "Born again" even though for hundreds of years has been associated with theology from our ancestors, are we not supposed to question it? Jesus instructs us to seek God in the Sermon on the Mount. Because God is not simple to be figured-out and stop learning about Him. I'm bringing new views from the Bible. I think are worth examining.

[Christian Believer]

Please consider this. Is there somewhere in the Bible that obsoletes the Lord's Prayer? Has the so called "blood covering" done away with the need to say the Lord's Prayer daily as He instructed. I think the Lord's Prayer is the fulfillment of the born again and blood-covering status.

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Christian Believer said:

In abolishing the ceremonial law, churches mistakenly also abolished the daily fellowship with God

What ceremonial law do you think has been abolished by churches?

[Christian Believer]

Hello Michael37,

The ceremonial law of Moses in the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy. That was the law of animal and other sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins. It was given by God (in the burning bush) to Moses as the old covenant redemption plan for the Jewish people. It was a proxy provision preceding the coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. After Jesus death on the cross, the curtain of the inner chamber in the Jewish temple was split in two. Indicating the end of the old covenant with God. Since that moment the Christian church started, by adopting Jesus' death on the cross as the new covenant for the forgiveness of sins, and "abolishing the old covenant of animal sacrifices"

With love from a fellow believer, have a blessed evening.

[Michael37]

39 minutes ago, Christian Believer said:

Since that moment the Christian church started, by adopting Jesus' death on the cross as the new covenant for the forgiveness of sins, and "abolishing the old covenant of animal sacrifices"

So what makes you think abolishing the OT ceremonial law has resulted in daily fellowship with God being abolished?

I'm sure the Book of Acts and NT Epistles would have raised such an issue if it was problematic along with Judaising and Gnosticism.

2 hours ago, Christian Believer said:

Churches today went too far with interpreting the new covenant. Yes, Jesus fulfilled the Leviticus law, and there’s no more need for ceremonial sacrifices. In abolishing the ceremonial law, churches mistakenly also abolished the daily fellowship with God. Saying the Lord’s Prayer daily is not ceremonial law. His sacrifice on the cross morphed us from the daily repeating hundreds of difficult animal and other sacrificial Leviticus requirements, to simply become the daily recital of the Lord’s Prayer to receive the Bread of life from God, and then the Holy Spirit can dwell within us, Luke 11:13. 

 

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