How do we know for sure?

[yomotalking]

A friend told me that the Trinty is not mentioned in the Original Texts.......maybe the TR didn't have them, can't remember...but how do we know for sure...it's true?

[NITE OWL]

A friend told me that the Trinty is not mentioned in the Original Texts.......maybe the TR didn't have them, can't remember...but how do we know for sure...it's true?

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Do you believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?

If you do, I wouldn't worry about it.

You can't get to the Father without the Son, and the Holy Spirit aids us in our attempts to reach the Father.

Whether the Trinity is mentioned in the original texts means nothing to me. I know they exist and that's all that really counts.

[yomotalking]

I know they exist, but if they are not mentioned in the Oringals, how do we know they are not false?

How do we know that it wasn't a theological guess, or story?

I'm not trying to sound horrible.

Just curious.

[EricH]

It depens on what you men when you say they are not mentioned in the originals. Your friend is correct that the term "Trinity" is not mentioned in the originals. It is not mentioned in the english versions either.

But, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all mentioned in the originals. They are also all said to be God in the originals. The term Trinity is just a theological convention that is used to describe the truths that the bible describes.

[Aim_64bIT]

A friend told me that the Trinty is not mentioned in the Original Texts.......maybe the TR didn't have them, can't remember...but how do we know for sure...it's true?

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The Godhead is in the Original Texts. It is mentioned several different times, in several different ways, within the Old Testament. Here is one of them.

Daniel 2:47 KJV

(47) The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

God of gods = Father; Lord of kings = Son; revealer of secrets = Holy Ghost

That is probably the most descriptive and most edifying verse on the Godhead within the whole Bible (God is a god of...). Now I don't think we should call the Godhead a Trinity because, all to often, it is confused with the pagan Triad (three gods in one office called god).

Deuteronomy 6:4 KJV

(4) Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Isaiah 43:10-11 KJV

(10) Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

(11) I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Colossians 2:8-9 KJV

(8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

(9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Edited September 7, 2005 by Aim_64bIT

[Joy in the Journey]

A friend told me that the Trinty is not mentioned in the Original Texts.......maybe the TR didn't have them, can't remember...but how do we know for sure...it's true?

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1 John 5:7

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Pretty much says it all ( to me at least )

God bless,

Tim

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings,

I would also add the following verses:

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[ruah brit]

Greetings,

I would also add the following verses:

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

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I have wondered about the scripture in matt 3. When it says he saw the Spirit of God descending. Who is the he who saw?

Denise

[NITE OWL]

Greetings,

I would also add the following verses:

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

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I have wondered about the scripture in matt 3. When it says he saw the Spirit of God descending. Who is the he who saw?

Denise

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Christ.

[Leonard]

I have wondered about the scripture in matt 3. When it says he saw the Spirit of God descending. Who is the he who saw?

Denise

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Hi Sister Denise. Actually if you read the other Gospels you will find that John the Baptist says: "I did not know it was Him, but He Who sent me told me that He upon Whom I see the Spirit of God descend, would be Him." (The quote is from the KEV.). Although I assume Jesus also saw the Spirit descend upon Himself, I always took the reference you cite to be speaking of John.

Re: The Trinity. The Definition of Chalcedon is codified in the Creed of St. Athanasius, available on the internet.

I wrote an article briefly describing the development of the Doctrine of the Trinity. While I have no intention of pasting the whole article here, let me give a very brief overview.

The Doctrine of the Trinity states that God is one God composed of three divine Persons; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Clearly the Scripture says all three are God, but some might object they are not persons. So we have to consider what attributes constitute the state of personhood itself. Among philosophers, those attributes are: 1. Mind, 2. Will, 3. Emotion, 4. Activity. In my article I quoted many Scriptures which show ALL THREE MEMBERS OF THE TRINITY are referred to as having these four attributes, hence They are all persons.

Others object that They are ALL THE SAME PERSON, however I further noted in the Scripture, that EACH is described as performing PARTICULAR actions in the life of the Believer, and AT THE SAME TIME. This is the strongest possible evidence that They are indeed three distinct, divine Persons.

It is by much prayerful study of the Scriptures that the Fathers became convinced of the Trinity.