I will spew thee out of my mouth......

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Does this verse mean that we indeed have lost our Salvation and that we can not come back to God, again.

Does this mean litraelly?

Or does it mean that God is just annoyed with us?

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Does this verse mean that we indeed have lost our Salvation and that we can not come back to God, again.

Does this mean litraelly?

Or does it mean that God is just annoyed with us?

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God is talking about the mind of believers. He is basically saying that it would be better to not know Him than to know and ignore Him.

If we are caught in that luke warm state on judgment day, I believe we lose our salvation. If in fact we were saved to begin with. His vomit ref. makes that clear.

The condition of our hearts at the time of death is what God looks at in determining our salvation. Simply believing in God will not get you into heaven.

I do believe however that if a person never heard of Christ and lived a good life, his good deeds will not go unnoticed.

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I disagree.

To understand this passage, you have to understand the city of Laodicea.

The one drawback to Laodicea's location was its lack of a local water supply. It had neither the cool well water of nearby Colossae nor the healing, hot water springs of Hierapolis across the Lycus valley. Water had to be piped in via an aqueduct from the Baspinar Spring five miles to the south (now in the town of Denizli). By the time the water arrived it was tepid--neither hot nor cold. The city's lukewarm, mineral-laden water was suitable only as a means to induce vomiting ("spit you out," from Greek emeo, literally "to vomit, throw up). [Jesus]'s metaphor comparing the church to the city's lukewarm, stale tasting water would have been easily understood by the Christians of Laodicea. Their apathy and complacency made [Jesus] sick to his stomach.

Laodicea was very pleasure-conscious, with a huge stadium and two lavish theaters. The city was noted throughout the Roman province of Asia for its wealth. As the banking center of province, it was the most prosperous of the seven cities. So wealthy were the citizens of Laodicea that when their city was destroyed by an earthquake in 60 AD, they refused the aid offered by Rome and rebuilt the city at their own expense. This rare example of self-sufficiency made the city famous. Because of their situation the statement, "I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing," is another pointed reference.

Laodicea also derived its wealth from the fertility of the surrounding countryside and its textile industry. It was famous for its black cloth manufactured from the glossy-black wool produced in the valley, said to be of a soft texture, almost like silk. The Laodiceans wore black garments with pride. But, in [the] letter [Jesus] advised the Christians of the city to buy the "white clothes" of purity and righteousness.

Thirteen miles west of Laodicea, a celebrated school of medicine produced an eye salve made from alum called "Phrygian powder." It was said to cure weak eyes and was exported in tablet form throughout the Mediterranean. The Laodiceans took great pride in their medical skill, but they were unaware of their spiritual blindness. Jesus appeals to them to buy salve from him so they might have better spiritual vision

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And according to This site which includes pictures of the ruins:

Jesus' condemnation of the city's church for lukewarmness rebukes not their lack of fervor but their lack of effectiveness.

From this perspective, "cold" meant refreshing (you know how refreshing it is to drink cold water, don't you?) and "hot" meant healing (the hot water springs were a healing center).

Hope this helps, Yomo!

[apothanein kerdos]

I disagree.

To understand this passage, you have to understand the city of Laodicea.

The one drawback to Laodicea's location was its lack of a local water supply. It had neither the cool well water of nearby Colossae nor the healing, hot water springs of Hierapolis across the Lycus valley. Water had to be piped in via an aqueduct from the Baspinar Spring five miles to the south (now in the town of Denizli). By the time the water arrived it was tepid--neither hot nor cold. The city's lukewarm, mineral-laden water was suitable only as a means to induce vomiting ("spit you out," from Greek emeo, literally "to vomit, throw up). [Jesus]'s metaphor comparing the church to the city's lukewarm, stale tasting water would have been easily understood by the Christians of Laodicea. Their apathy and complacency made [Jesus] sick to his stomach.

Laodicea was very pleasure-conscious, with a huge stadium and two lavish theaters. The city was noted throughout the Roman province of Asia for its wealth. As the banking center of province, it was the most prosperous of the seven cities. So wealthy were the citizens of Laodicea that when their city was destroyed by an earthquake in 60 AD, they refused the aid offered by Rome and rebuilt the city at their own expense. This rare example of self-sufficiency made the city famous. Because of their situation the statement, "I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing," is another pointed reference.

Laodicea also derived its wealth from the fertility of the surrounding countryside and its textile industry. It was famous for its black cloth manufactured from the glossy-black wool produced in the valley, said to be of a soft texture, almost like silk. The Laodiceans wore black garments with pride. But, in [the] letter [Jesus] advised the Christians of the city to buy the "white clothes" of purity and righteousness.

Thirteen miles west of Laodicea, a celebrated school of medicine produced an eye salve made from alum called "Phrygian powder." It was said to cure weak eyes and was exported in tablet form throughout the Mediterranean. The Laodiceans took great pride in their medical skill, but they were unaware of their spiritual blindness. Jesus appeals to them to buy salve from him so they might have better spiritual vision

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And according to This site which includes pictures of the ruins:

Jesus' condemnation of the city's church for lukewarmness rebukes not their lack of fervor but their lack of effectiveness.

From this perspective, "cold" meant refreshing (you know how refreshing it is to drink cold water, don't you?) and "hot" meant healing (the hot water springs were a healing center).

Hope this helps, Yomo!

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100% accurate. The literal translation is, "You make me sick". Ouch...

[Guest Zayit]

Funny I was just councelling someone last night and using just this same example of that church. They didn't know how wretched and poor they were. :They thought they had it all, and had no need for everything, that they were following the L-RD, but it was in their own blinded eyes. They were not living by this proverb:

Trust in the L-rD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him and he will guide your paths.

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I disagree.

To understand this passage, you have to understand the city of Laodicea.

The one drawback to Laodicea's location was its lack of a local water supply. It had neither the cool well water of nearby Colossae nor the healing, hot water springs of Hierapolis across the Lycus valley. Water had to be piped in via an aqueduct from the Baspinar Spring five miles to the south (now in the town of Denizli). By the time the water arrived it was tepid--neither hot nor cold. The city's lukewarm, mineral-laden water was suitable only as a means to induce vomiting ("spit you out," from Greek emeo, literally "to vomit, throw up). [Jesus]'s metaphor comparing the church to the city's lukewarm, stale tasting water would have been easily understood by the Christians of Laodicea. Their apathy and complacency made [Jesus] sick to his stomach.

Laodicea was very pleasure-conscious, with a huge stadium and two lavish theaters. The city was noted throughout the Roman province of Asia for its wealth. As the banking center of province, it was the most prosperous of the seven cities. So wealthy were the citizens of Laodicea that when their city was destroyed by an earthquake in 60 AD, they refused the aid offered by Rome and rebuilt the city at their own expense. This rare example of self-sufficiency made the city famous. Because of their situation the statement, "I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing," is another pointed reference.

Laodicea also derived its wealth from the fertility of the surrounding countryside and its textile industry. It was famous for its black cloth manufactured from the glossy-black wool produced in the valley, said to be of a soft texture, almost like silk. The Laodiceans wore black garments with pride. But, in [the] letter [Jesus] advised the Christians of the city to buy the "white clothes" of purity and righteousness.

Thirteen miles west of Laodicea, a celebrated school of medicine produced an eye salve made from alum called "Phrygian powder." It was said to cure weak eyes and was exported in tablet form throughout the Mediterranean. The Laodiceans took great pride in their medical skill, but they were unaware of their spiritual blindness. Jesus appeals to them to buy salve from him so they might have better spiritual vision

Source

And according to This site which includes pictures of the ruins:

Jesus' condemnation of the city's church for lukewarmness rebukes not their lack of fervor but their lack of effectiveness.

From this perspective, "cold" meant refreshing (you know how refreshing it is to drink cold water, don't you?) and "hot" meant healing (the hot water springs were a healing center).

Hope this helps, Yomo!

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Be careful what you teach.

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I disagree.

To understand this passage, you have to understand the city of Laodicea.

The one drawback to Laodicea's location was its lack of a local water supply. It had neither the cool well water of nearby Colossae nor the healing, hot water springs of Hierapolis across the Lycus valley. Water had to be piped in via an aqueduct from the Baspinar Spring five miles to the south (now in the town of Denizli). By the time the water arrived it was tepid--neither hot nor cold. The city's lukewarm, mineral-laden water was suitable only as a means to induce vomiting ("spit you out," from Greek emeo, literally "to vomit, throw up). [Jesus]'s metaphor comparing the church to the city's lukewarm, stale tasting water would have been easily understood by the Christians of Laodicea. Their apathy and complacency made [Jesus] sick to his stomach.

Laodicea was very pleasure-conscious, with a huge stadium and two lavish theaters. The city was noted throughout the Roman province of Asia for its wealth. As the banking center of province, it was the most prosperous of the seven cities. So wealthy were the citizens of Laodicea that when their city was destroyed by an earthquake in 60 AD, they refused the aid offered by Rome and rebuilt the city at their own expense. This rare example of self-sufficiency made the city famous. Because of their situation the statement, "I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing," is another pointed reference.

Laodicea also derived its wealth from the fertility of the surrounding countryside and its textile industry. It was famous for its black cloth manufactured from the glossy-black wool produced in the valley, said to be of a soft texture, almost like silk. The Laodiceans wore black garments with pride. But, in [the] letter [Jesus] advised the Christians of the city to buy the "white clothes" of purity and righteousness.

Thirteen miles west of Laodicea, a celebrated school of medicine produced an eye salve made from alum called "Phrygian powder." It was said to cure weak eyes and was exported in tablet form throughout the Mediterranean. The Laodiceans took great pride in their medical skill, but they were unaware of their spiritual blindness. Jesus appeals to them to buy salve from him so they might have better spiritual vision

Source

And according to This site which includes pictures of the ruins:

Jesus' condemnation of the city's church for lukewarmness rebukes not their lack of fervor but their lack of effectiveness.

From this perspective, "cold" meant refreshing (you know how refreshing it is to drink cold water, don't you?) and "hot" meant healing (the hot water springs were a healing center).

Hope this helps, Yomo!

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Be careful what you teach.

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Even when it's historically, linguistically, logically, spiritually, and biblically accurate?

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I disagree.

To understand this passage, you have to understand the city of Laodicea.

The one drawback to Laodicea's location was its lack of a local water supply. It had neither the cool well water of nearby Colossae nor the healing, hot water springs of Hierapolis across the Lycus valley. Water had to be piped in via an aqueduct from the Baspinar Spring five miles to the south (now in the town of Denizli). By the time the water arrived it was tepid--neither hot nor cold. The city's lukewarm, mineral-laden water was suitable only as a means to induce vomiting ("spit you out," from Greek emeo, literally "to vomit, throw up). [Jesus]'s metaphor comparing the church to the city's lukewarm, stale tasting water would have been easily understood by the Christians of Laodicea. Their apathy and complacency made [Jesus] sick to his stomach.

Laodicea was very pleasure-conscious, with a huge stadium and two lavish theaters. The city was noted throughout the Roman province of Asia for its wealth. As the banking center of province, it was the most prosperous of the seven cities. So wealthy were the citizens of Laodicea that when their city was destroyed by an earthquake in 60 AD, they refused the aid offered by Rome and rebuilt the city at their own expense. This rare example of self-sufficiency made the city famous. Because of their situation the statement, "I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing," is another pointed reference.

Laodicea also derived its wealth from the fertility of the surrounding countryside and its textile industry. It was famous for its black cloth manufactured from the glossy-black wool produced in the valley, said to be of a soft texture, almost like silk. The Laodiceans wore black garments with pride. But, in [the] letter [Jesus] advised the Christians of the city to buy the "white clothes" of purity and righteousness.

Thirteen miles west of Laodicea, a celebrated school of medicine produced an eye salve made from alum called "Phrygian powder." It was said to cure weak eyes and was exported in tablet form throughout the Mediterranean. The Laodiceans took great pride in their medical skill, but they were unaware of their spiritual blindness. Jesus appeals to them to buy salve from him so they might have better spiritual vision

Source

And according to This site which includes pictures of the ruins:

Jesus' condemnation of the city's church for lukewarmness rebukes not their lack of fervor but their lack of effectiveness.

From this perspective, "cold" meant refreshing (you know how refreshing it is to drink cold water, don't you?) and "hot" meant healing (the hot water springs were a healing center).

Hope this helps, Yomo!

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Be careful what you teach.

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Even when it's historically, linguistically, logically, spiritually, and biblically accurate?

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How many people on this board know about the rivers mentioned? How many knew 100 years ago?

Cold water isn't always refreshing. Have you ever fell through the ice?

Christ may have been using the rivers as a ref., but they are not what He was referring too.

Cold..Not knowing who God is.

Hot..Being filled with the Spirit. Living in the Word.

Lukewarm..Knowing God but backsliding. Putting the cares of the world before God.

I see your point about the rivers, but unless they are mentioned in this passage, they mean nothing.

That's how I see it . If anyone wants to believe otherwise, they have that right.

It's nice to know about the physical locations of places mentioned in the bible, I just don't believe it's necessary.

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That's a horrible way to translate. Mentioning the two rivers is VITAL in translating this passage. It shows the correlation that Christ was drawing. He was using the rivers as an example of the two types of "spirituality". There are those that are refreshing in the faith, and those that are on fire for God.

Where in the text does it say "cold" means cold against God? You're violating your own translation principle.

No word of commendation was extended to the Laodicean church. They were pictured as utterly abhorrent to Christ because they were lukewarm. This was addressed to the church and also to the messenger or the pastor whom some believe was Archippus (Col. 4:17). It is improbable, however, that Archippus, if he had been the pastor of the church, was still living. In referring to the church as

[Guest shiloh357]

How many people on this board know about the rivers mentioned? How many knew 100 years ago?

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But the Laodacians WOULD have perfectly understood what Yeshua was talking about, and they were the principal readership.

Cold..Not knowing who God is.

Hot..Being filled with the Spirit. Living in the Word.

That is what you are penciling into the passage and in doing so you are contradicting you own intprative principles.

Secondly, IF "cold" means not knowing who God is, WHY on earth would He wish they were that way? Why would that be in any sense, desirable? Your assertion makes no sense!! God wants everyone to know Him. There is NO context, no GOOD reason that would motivate the Lord to say, "I wish you did not know me."

I see your point about the rivers, but unless they are mentioned in this passage, they mean nothing.

It would have meant quite a bit to the Laodaceans!! They would have understood Him perfectly. It is through careful study of the history and issues that face those living in Bible times, that certain things become more clear and less obscure.

It is a matter of understanding the importance of studying the Bible in the light of the time and issues that intersected with the biblical revelation.