Do Christians Still Have A Sinful Nature?

[Fiosh]

Yea, it's done for now. Stick a fork in it. The last time I checked, Holy Writ outlined two distinct natures for believers in Christ Jesus. Anyways, I'm leaving for STARBUCKS to get a venti decaf nonfat extra-hot no foam with whip three-pump vanilla latte. Never enjoyed one yet? Not since the fall of the Second Temple has there been such a debacle as that!

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[Rukkus]

Fiosh . . . Well, I started typing out a reply to you, but then I remembered that Faith and Works is not the subject. Although you did say Paul struggled with his flesh . . . Where does the Bible say this?

[Fiosh]

Fiosh . . . Well, I started typing out a reply to you, but then I remembered that Faith and Works is not the subject. Although you did say Paul struggled with his flesh . . . Where does the Bible say this?

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Romans 7 : 13-25

[Rukkus]

Fiosh said . . .

Romans 7 : 13-25

Well thank you for the biblical reference. But nowhere in Romans 7:13-25 does it say Paul was struggling with his flesh. There's no struggle in those verses. Paul lays it out plain and simple in verse 25. That his flesh was serving the law of sin. He says clearly that he was brought into captivity (23). If you're held captive by someone, then they have the power over you. So to assume there is a struggle, just isn't supported by that text. It's plainly stated that what he wants to do, he can't do because he's carnal and sold under sin. And of course anyone who is carnal and sold under sin will experience Romans 7. But the thing to note is that Paul did not stay in Romans 7. He went on in Romans 8:2 and says clearly that he was made free. And you can too. Not if you're carnal and sold under sin. But you don't have to be carnal or sold under sin. 1Cor 3:1-4 shows clearly that being carnal (which is also being a babe in Christ) is a choice. 1Cor 3:1-4 also shows clearly that being a baby Christian, you will also walk as a mere man. Well, mere men will experience Romans 7. They're carnal. And the carnal mind is enmity against God (Rom 8). But you see, Paul didn't live in Romans 7 his whole life. In fact, all it took was one chapter later, and you see he got free from that law that was holding him. And later, in 1Corinthians 4 he was able to say that he knew of not one single thing against him.

So I emphasize to everyone to put your faith in the whole Bible, not just parts. Don't believe Romans 7, but not Romans 8. Don't believe 1Jn 1:8 and not verse 9. Believe the whole Bible, and you'll be able to enjoy the whole thing.

[Fiosh]

Fiosh said . . .

Romans 7 : 13-25

Well thank you for the biblical reference. But nowhere in Romans 7:13-25 does it say Paul was struggling with his flesh. There's no struggle in those verses. Paul lays it out plain and simple in verse 25. That his flesh was serving the law of sin. He says clearly that he was brought into captivity (23). If you're held captive by someone, then they have the power over you. So to assume there is a struggle, just isn't supported by that text. It's plainly stated that what he wants to do, he can't do because he's carnal and sold under sin. And of course anyone who is carnal and sold under sin will experience Romans 7. But the thing to note is that Paul did not stay in Romans 7. He went on in Romans 8:2 and says clearly that he was made free. And you can too. Not if you're carnal and sold under sin. But you don't have to be carnal or sold under sin. 1Cor 3:1-4 shows clearly that being carnal (which is also being a babe in Christ) is a choice. 1Cor 3:1-4 also shows clearly that being a baby Christian, you will also walk as a mere man. Well, mere men will experience Romans 7. They're carnal. And the carnal mind is enmity against God (Rom 8). But you see, Paul didn't live in Romans 7 his whole life. In fact, all it took was one chapter later, and you see he got free from that law that was holding him. And later, in 1Corinthians 4 he was able to say that he knew of not one single thing against him.

So I emphasize to everyone to put your faith in the whole Bible, not just parts. Don't believe Romans 7, but not Romans 8. Don't  believe 1Jn 1:8 and not verse 9. Believe the whole Bible, and you'll be able to enjoy the whole thing.

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I believe the whole Bible. I've read all of Romans, several times.

With all due respect, I totally disagree with your interpretation of it.

Peace,

Fiosh

[Fiosh]

Hey Rukkus,

Read Ephesians 6: 10-20; 2 Cor 4: 7-12 & 10: 3-6.

We are in constant battle. Yes, we have the weapons needed to fight and the victory is ours------but the battle rages.

peace,

Fiosh

[ruah brit]

Do Christians Still Have A Sinful Nature?

Christ's chosen don't.

Ga 5

24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Denise

[mrs]

Do Christians Still Have A Sinful Nature?

Christ's chosen don't.

Ga 5

24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Denise

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That verse simply means that we are no longer slaves to sin, we through the power of Christ can resist and conquer it.

[Rukkus]

Fiosh said . . .

Hey Rukkus,

Read Ephesians 6: 10-20; 2 Cor 4: 7-12 & 10: 3-6.

We are in constant battle. Yes, we have the weapons needed to fight and the victory is ours------but the battle rages.

peace,

Fiosh

Well I'm talking about whether or not Christians have a sinful nature. Not whether or not there is a fight. I know there is a fight. But I just don't think it's against the flesh. Ephesians 6 says it isn't against the flesh.

Now, in your other post (I can't reply to both cause Worthy boards has this weird rule that you have to wait like 20 minutes before you can reply more than once, so I'll just reply to you in this message.) You said you disagreed with my interpretation of Romans. Let me ask, which part was my interpretation, and which part of it did you disagree with? I need specifics in order to reply specifically. Otherwise, the conversation won't go anywhere.

[ruah brit]

Do Christians Still Have A Sinful Nature?

Christ's chosen don't.

Ga 5

24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Denise

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That verse simply means that we are no longer slaves to sin, we through the power of Christ can resist and conquer it.

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Amen

It also simply means that those who have not crucified the flesh with its passions and desires are not Christ's. Read it again, it does not say "can crucify" it says "have crucified".

Denise