Open7 Posted July 27, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2022 I have been reading Matthew 5:31-32 and Jesus permits divorce only from sexual immorality. In 1 Corinthians 7:15 Paul adds to this by saying that abandonment is another reason, I.e if married to an unbeliever that walks out, then you are no longer bound. I have some questions: Would you agree that this is the only two reasons for divorce in scripture, adultery and abandonment? If so, why didn’t Jesus also say abandonment? What if a women thinks she is marrying a believer, realises later that he isn’t, but he neither commits adultery nor abandons her, but, shows no love and affection and generally is not a good husband. 1 Corinthians 7:13 says a woman shouldn’t divorce an unbeliever. Is she not then trapped? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deborah_ Posted July 27, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 790 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 878 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/07/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Open7 said: why didn’t Jesus also say abandonment? 1) Not everything that Jesus said is recorded in the gospels. (see Acts 20:35 for an example) 2) The apostles, in dealing with issues that arose in the early church, had authority in the Holy Spirit to give additional instruction. (Matthew 18:18) 2 hours ago, Open7 said: 1 Corinthians 7:13 says a woman shouldn’t divorce an unbeliever. Is she not then trapped? Paul is saying that unbelief on its own is not grounds for divorce. There is always the option of separation if the relationship breaks down. (I Corinthians 7:10,11) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted July 27, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Open7 said: I have been reading Matthew 5:31-32 and Jesus permits divorce only from sexual immorality. In 1 Corinthians 7:15 Paul adds to this by saying that abandonment is another reason, I.e if married to an unbeliever that walks out, then you are no longer bound. I have some questions: Would you agree that this is the only two reasons for divorce in scripture, adultery and abandonment? If so, why didn’t Jesus also say abandonment? What if a women thinks she is marrying a believer, realises later that he isn’t, but he neither commits adultery nor abandons her, but, shows no love and affection and generally is not a good husband. 1 Corinthians 7:13 says a woman shouldn’t divorce an unbeliever. Is she not then trapped? Thanks Some would say remain unmarried until the abandoner enters into a new relationship (sexual immorality), waiting for and praying for the wayward spouse. Some say to separate from a physically abusive spouse, which may not include a divorce. What do you think the Bible says about winning over an unsaved, difficult spouse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted July 27, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2022 Hi @Open7 I think the situation is a little more involved than "No divorce except if there has been adultery". If you have time, please allow me to share my view with you. There was a major political scandal that was happening in Israel at the time the Messiah was here. Front page scandal stuff, and everyone knew about it! Herod had recently taken his brother's wife, who was not divorced from him, and was parading around with her publicly. This was a disgrace in Israel and John the Baptist was locked up because of speaking against the relationship openly. Therefore, it's likely some unsavoury characters were trying to catch out the Messiah in His words and get Him arrested just like John. The process of divorce in the Hebraic culture is slightly different from ours in the West today. In essence, in order to divorce you would send your wife away AND give her a letter of divorce. Keep in mind, this was two separate events. But both events, in English translations, are often called "divorce" - further muddying our understanding. Now, only after the wife got the letter of Divorce, would she then be able to marry another. However, it seems that many men were just sending their wives away only (sometimes for very minor issues) and taking another woman! Presumably they avoided the letter of Divorce stage of the process because of the financial implications and societal impressions. Regardless, this would be legally cheating on their first woman (who was still technically their wife). Then, if any other man married this rejected first woman they would actually be marrying another man's wife! And so we have adultery for all parties. It's these concepts that the Messiah seems to be referring to in Matthew... “Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces[sends his wife away] his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce[divorce].’ But I say to you that whoever divorces[sends his wife away] his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced[sent away] commits adultery." The black text is my insertions highlighting the difference in the Greek from the words for "send away" and "divorce". (To give you an example, the same Greek word for "send away" is used when Pilate releases Barabbas at Passover.) Remember, there are two stages. Firstly, sent away and secondly, given a bill of divorce. So then, indeed sending away your wife ONLY and marrying another is indeed adultery. And, any other man marrying your sent away wife is indeed committing adultery with her - the divorce is not final. This comes out in the Greek but not the English and so the words of the Messiah take a different light with both this political, cultural and linguistic background. I hope that helps you in some way. Peace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted July 27, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2022 9 hours ago, Open7 said: I have been reading Matthew 5:31-32 and Jesus permits divorce only from sexual immorality. In 1 Corinthians 7:15 Paul adds to this by saying that abandonment is another reason, I.e if married to an unbeliever that walks out, then you are no longer bound. I have some questions: Would you agree that this is the only two reasons for divorce in scripture, adultery and abandonment? If so, why didn’t Jesus also say abandonment? What if a women thinks she is marrying a believer, realises later that he isn’t, but he neither commits adultery nor abandons her, but, shows no love and affection and generally is not a good husband. 1 Corinthians 7:13 says a woman shouldn’t divorce an unbeliever. Is she not then trapped? Thanks The Bible states that there is a biblical divorce for infidelity and if a unbeliever leaves. Of course if a person is being badly abused physically or mentally there is a reason to leave. Either a legal separation or divorce. God would understand. He does not want His children to be abused. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open7 Posted July 28, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 Thanks so much everyone this is really helpful😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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