Temple Builder

[JohnD]

King David felt blessed of the LORD, noticing one day how well he was living in a palace while the house of the LORD was a tattered tent of meeting in Shiloh. 

Now the LORD let David know he was touched by his willingness to build a temple for him, but that he was not the man to build a temple for him; nor did he ask 

for one to be built. But a descendant of David's would one day build the LORD's Temple. (1 Chronicles 17 , 2 Samuel 7)

David misinterpreted this to mean his son Solomon was the one to build it, and proceeded to push that agenda through. 

Like the monarchy, this also had devastating effects on the relationship between God and Israel. For though the LORD condescended to deal with Israel through both the

temple system and the monarchy, rarely after that point was Israel in God's good graces for very long afterwards.

1 Samuel 8 shows how the Jews longed for a king like the rest of the people of the world had.

2 Samuel 7 shows how David wanted a temple / palace for the LORD like the rest of the world had for their gods.

God had other things in mind for both in Zechariah 6:12-13 that the heir of David (Jesus the Messiah) would be Prophet, Priest, King, and Temple Builder.

And the Temple that he builds (Matthew 16:18) is not some dead, immobile, stone edifice on a hill in Jerusalem but the Body of living believers (1 Corinthians 3:16).

Without a doubt, God did charge Moses to erect the tent of meeting tabernacle. But he did not command David or Solomon to build a temple.

Hebrews 8:5 (AV)
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Note the absence of the temple.

 

 

[JohnD]

God did commission Zerubbabel to rebuild the temple (after the first temple was destroyed), since the damage of going down that path had already been done (as it was with the monarchy).

But neither one was God's original intent for Israel.

This is not to whip up on the Jewish people... because the same historic list of errors can be attributed to Christians, Noahides, antediluvians,not to mention the world religions, cults, occult, etc.

The common thread is human nature that keeps getting things of the spirit wrong.

The temple system itself is hinted at in Revelation 13:18 the infamous 666.

Taking literally the verses that state we are not to add to or take away from the Word of God, translating  666 in house so to speak within the confines of the Bible...

666 appears only 4 times in the Bible. Two of which refer to Solomon's annual gold wage.

Solomon is an interesting character. Child of King David's indiscretion, humble at first (enough for God to grant him wisdom second only to Jesus) ← the difference between them is Jesus had no sin nature to corrupt him as it eventually corrupted Solomon.

Builder of the first temple... breaker of most Levitical laws in the dedication of it... incorporator of paganism into Israel through not only his pagan wives (who he had lust for despite the LORD's warning) but also in the artisans he conscripted to build the temple. Solomon brought into Judaism an age old cult symbol (Seal of Solomon) since misrepresented as the Star of David. ← David never knew this star.

In Revelation 13:18, the reference is to the original temple system and temple builder who was deceived to prophetically warn about the end time temple builder and temple system who will deceive the Jews and the population of the world

The first temple was destroyed on Tisha b'Av 586 BCE.

The second temple was destroyed on Tisha b'Av 70 CE.

666 prophetic years apart. ← prophetic years = 360 days a year

Speaking to the Jews, Jesus said:

John 5:43 (AV)
43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

The Jews who reject Jesus as the Messiah and are looking for a Messiah, look for him to be a rebuilder of the temple.

[JohnD]

Matthew 24:24 (AV)
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Only Holy Spirit filled believers in Jesus will not be deceived.

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2 hours ago, JohnD said:

King David felt blessed of the LORD, noticing one day how well he was living in a palace while the house of the LORD was a tattered tent of meeting in Shiloh. 

Now the LORD let David know he was touched by his willingness to build a temple for him, but that he was not the man to build a temple for him; nor did he ask 

for one to be built. But a descendant of David's would one day build the LORD's Temple. (1 Chronicles 17 , 2 Samuel 7)

David misinterpreted this to mean his son Solomon was the one to build it, and proceeded to push that agenda through. 

Like the monarchy, this also had devastating effects on the relationship between God and Israel. For though the LORD condescended to deal with Israel through both the

temple system and the monarchy, rarely after that point was Israel in God's good graces for very long afterwards.

1 Samuel 8 shows how the Jews longed for a king like the rest of the people of the world had.

2 Samuel 7 shows how David wanted a temple / palace for the LORD like the rest of the world had for their gods.

God had other things in mind for both in Zechariah 6:12-13 that the heir of David (Jesus the Messiah) would be Prophet, Priest, King, and Temple Builder.

And the Temple that he builds (Matthew 16:18) is not some dead, immobile, stone edifice on a hill in Jerusalem but the Body of living believers (1 Corinthians 3:16).

Without a doubt, God did charge Moses to erect the tent of meeting tabernacle. But he did not command David or Solomon to build a temple.

Hebrews 8:5 (AV)
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Note the absence of the temple.

 

 

Your argument is pretty compelling, but I believe you have missed something. It was God's desire to live IN man from the beginning. If man had eaten from the Tree of Life God would have dwelt IN man. When, after 4,000 years, and after Jesus had put away the barrier of sin ans sins, God came to dwell IN man.

Before that, God chose a Nation WITH whom He could dwell - Israel. We read in Exodus 25

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering. 3 And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass, 4 And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats' hair, 5 And rams' skins dyed red, and badgers' skins, and shittim wood, 6 Oil for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense, 7 Onyx stones, and stones to be set in the ephod, and in the breastplate. 8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. 9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

That it was God's choice is clearly seen in multiple scriptures. Here is one - Deuteronomy 12:5-11

5 But unto the place which the LORD your God shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come: 6 And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks: 7 And there ye shall eat before the LORD your God, and ye shall rejoice in all that ye put your hand unto, ye and your households, wherein the LORD thy God hath blessed thee. 8 Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes. 9 For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you. 10 But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety; 11 Then there shall be a place which the LORD your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there; thither shall ye bring all that I command you; your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand, and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:

The problem was sin and sins, so this Holy God must dwell behind a curtain or Veil. It was only after Christ's death and resurrection that God made anew house for Himself - one "not made by hands".

[JohnD]

Good points all building on / adding to what I established as a foundation for this form of conversation.

There's no need to point out these additions as things you or I "missed." This is why the commission of 

fellowship: to piece together all the parts of the puzzle God placed in the hearts of each of us through his

Holy Spirit. For example the addition here to your point:

Exodus 19:6 (AV)
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Whereby God intended originally that the entire nation be priests, but the rebellion of Exodus 32 (sin / sins) changed that drastically to the one

tribe and specified why the Levites were that one tribe.

BTW I welcome your comments / additions... just not the personal digs.

[JohnD]

A final thought on the tree of life in the Garden Eden...

Though the emphasis on the tree of the knowledge of good and evil far outweighed (IMHO) even the knowledge

of the tree of life at the time of Adam and Eve... the entire scenario of testing mankind was balanced... the stage was set

between the two eternal destinies. Which provokes the question why?

Why was there a testing / proving ground in the first place?

And why was the tree of life hardly mentioned if at all to Adam and Eve?

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was mentioned obviously to forewarn Adam and Eve.

But there seems to be something underlying the reason why the tree of life was omitted (apparently from the record at least) of 

God's blessings and commands at the time.

I suggest that Job chapters 1 and 2 are not the first time the LORD and Satan entered into a wager.

That IMHO when God was pronouncing the sentence for Satan and his followers in the spirit realm in eternity past (Matthew 25:41),

the Accuser made one last ditch accusation: you are not just or fair. we sinned once and we are condemned for all eternity...

Angels being created in their final state, to sin is to bear it forever. Man however has the blessing of being able to die and thus able to be redeemed from sin.

Angels believe and tremble... because redemption is not an option for them.  ← James' argument faith without works is a dead [faith] is still saving faith (Ephesians 2:8-9 / John 3:16-18 / John 6:29 / John 16:27) but a lively flourishing growing faith produces good works after the fact of salvation (Ephesians 2:10)...

Back to that last ditch effort accusation, God (though under no obligation to do so) began the process of proving he is more than just more than fair...

Let there be light! and there was light...

That the entire purpose of the physical realm creation and fall and redemption of man by the ultimate ultimate sacrifice of the Creator God who created all things in all realms is to prove these things.

John 17:5 (AV)
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Revelation 13:8 (AV)
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

It was not until Satan had already hamstrung himself by possessing Judas Iscariot to insure Jesus went to the cross that he realized this was God's plan all along... and this is why Judas feigned remorse over condemning Jesus... but the devil had done too good a job corrupting the Jewish leaders who were derelict in their duty to enforce Judas' recanted testimony and stop (or at least try to stop) the execution of the King of the Jews...

And the man Judas, tormented by the defeated devil within took his own life like the swine had done previously with the legion of demons...

[JohnD]

The reason the angel was set at the edge of Eden with a flaming sword (Star Wars did not invent the light saber, LOL)

was to prevent Adam and Eve or their offspring from eating of the tree of life and making eternal the fallen state (the same

as the fallen angels).

[JohnD]

I want to reiterate:

This is not to whip up on the Jewish people... because the same historic list of errors can be attributed to Christians, Noahides, antediluvians,not to mention the world religions, cults, occult, etc.

The common thread is human nature that keeps getting things of the spirit wrong.

[JohnD]

There are many many errors on the part of man in the Bible. They are in the Bible NOT to invoke or imply that they were correct but rather to record historically what they said or did or mistook.

This among many other reasons is why we must allow and adhere to the version of Bible interpretation of the Author of the Bible himself the Holy Spirit (which we are to know first of all):

2 Peter 1:20–21 (AV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

All scripture is prophetic and was revealed to the prophets both oral and written, so this refers to all scripture. 

2 Timothy 3:16–17 (NIV84)
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

God-breathed, often the literary imagery of the Holy Spirit is that of wind (pneuma) or breath.

His interpretation is the absolute correct interpretation:

John 16:13 (AV)
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

We must then use the scriptures to validate (Acts 17:11) it is actually the Holy Spirit giving us the interpretation (1 John 4:1) as we ought to be proving of all things anyway (1 Thessalonians 5:21)... not because the Holy Spirit is lacking in anything, but we human beings are a gullible and easily misled lot.

Human beings get it wrong nearly all of the time:

Acts 23 Claudius Lysias fabricated his role in the Apostle Paul's arrest

Paul admitted to being in error about John Mark (Acts 15 / 2 Timothy 4)

In Galatians 2 Paul rebukes Peter for drawing back from Gentile believers to the Jewish believers

King David believed it was because he was a warrior that he was not allowed to build the temple (1 Chronicles 28)

Moses did not consult the LORD when setting up the body of religious leaders (Exodus 18).

Joshua did not consult the LORD about the Gibeonite ruse (Joshua 9).

King Saul offered a sacrifice when Samuel was running late (1 Samuel 13).

Peter tried to stop the arrest of Jesus (Matthew 26).

Peter essentially called Jesus a liar (Matthew 16:22).

One of the things I love about the Bible is that it shows the truth about everything (people especially warts and all).

[JohnD]

When King David was being instructed that he is not the man to build the Temple, 

2 Samuel 7:12–13 (AV)
12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

This must be tempered with:

2 Chronicles 6:5–6 (AV)
5 Since the day that I brought forth my people out of the land of Egypt I chose no city among all the tribes of Israel to build an house in, that my name might be there; neither chose I any man to be a ruler over my people Israel:
6 But I have chosen Jerusalem, that my name might be there; and have chosen David to be over my people Israel.

Therefore the Temple was to be built by David's heir Jesus:

Zechariah 6:12–13 (AV)
12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.