Waiting for Messiah/Turning to G-d

[mikado5001]

Recently I was pondering some Bible verses relating to peace on Earth. And I remeber hearing that there will be no peace on Earth/in Israel untill Jesus comes back. And I wondered......

Is this a set in stone edict that we cannot change? Or is it a challenge, of sorts? If we have total and complete free will, as I believe we do, to turn away from G-d? Just like alot of us have been doing. Can we reverse the flow and turn to G-d? Do we have the free will to unite as a people? To turn from our wicked ways of the past. Seems to me that waiting for Jesus to return and bring peace. Is not the right or best way to do things. I am, to be clear, NOT TALKING ABOUT TRUE PEACE from G-d. I am, however talking about the absense of war. And the proliferation of love over hatred. Light over dark. And things of that nature.

Can we, and will we, as a single entity of many, wake up and realize that we are screwing up a miracle? The miracle of life, love, and joy.

We need Jesus to save us from damnation in the next world of eternity. THIS IS TRUE. But can we turn to G-d and save ourselves from damnation here on Earth? We seem to be heading toward that outcome. And I say turn back before it's to late.

I think this songs says it best. If G-d is love, than love is what we need.

HEAVEN IS A PLACE ON EARTH

By:Belinda Carlisle

When the night falls down

I wait for you

And you come around

And the world's alive

With the sound of kids

On the street outside

When you walk into the room

You pull me close and we start to move

And we're spinning with the stars above

And you lift me up in a wave of love...

Ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth?

Ooh heaven is a place on earth

They say in heaven love comes first

We'll make heaven a place on earth

Ooh heaven is a place on earth

When I feel alone

I reach for you

And you bring me home

When I'm lost at sea

I hear your voice

And it carries me

In this world we're just beginning

To understand the miracle of living

Baby I was afraid before

But I'm not afraid anymore

Ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth ?

Ooh heaven is a place on earth

They say in heaven love comes first

We'll make heaven a place on earth

Ooh heaven is a place on earth

[Guest shiloh357]

I am, however talking about the absense of war. And the proliferation of love over hatred. Light over dark. And things of that nature.

I hear you, but that is not achievable by mankind. Mankind is entirely too selfish for anything like that to take place. Hate, war, oppression, are all part of our sinful nature. We will not see the absence of war until the Messiah finally reappears to put an end to all of that.

[mikado5001]

I am, however talking about the absense of war. And the proliferation of love over hatred. Light over dark. And things of that nature.

I hear you, but that is not achievable by mankind. Mankind is entirely too selfish for anything like that to take place. Hate, war, oppression, are all part of our sinful nature. We will not see the absence of war until the Messiah finally reappears to put an end to all of that.

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My question, among many, is can we overcome the majority of our sinfull nature(hate, war, oppression) and go to HIM rather than wait for HIM to come to us? Are we THAT far gone and uncapable of change?

Sometimes, no offense, I get so sick and tired about what G-d says we can't do. In this case bring about peace on Earth. And if peace on Earth is a pipe dream. That G-d says cannot happen untill Christ returns. Doesn't that negate free will? Or is G-d saying we are not up to the task? I know without G-d we are not up to the task. But with G-d in ALL our lives. Can we take the off ramp? And get off the road to ruin, that without G-d, we are heading down?

[Leonard]

The more wholesome changes the regenerate can effect in the world around them the better! And the more unregenerate people we lead to Christ, the more regenerate people there will be to help effect those salubrious changes.

[mikado5001]

salubrious....??? That means....?

[Guest yod]

It means don't go quoting any more Bangles songs...

[Guest shiloh357]

I am, however talking about the absense of war. And the proliferation of love over hatred. Light over dark. And things of that nature.

I hear you, but that is not achievable by mankind. Mankind is entirely too selfish for anything like that to take place. Hate, war, oppression, are all part of our sinful nature. We will not see the absence of war until the Messiah finally reappears to put an end to all of that.

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My question, among many, is can we overcome the majority of our sinful nature(hate, war, oppression) and go to HIM rather than wait for HIM to come to us? Are we THAT far gone and uncapable of change?

Sometimes, no offense, I get so sick and tired about what G-d says we can't do. In this case bring about peace on Earth. And if peace on Earth is a pipe dream. That G-da says cannot happen until Christ returns. Doesn't that negate free will? Or is G-d saying we are not up to the task? I know without G-d we are not up to the task. But with G-d in ALL our lives. Can we take the off ramp? And get off the road to ruin, that without G-d, we are heading down?

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You need to understand... peace on earth is not a pipe dream. There will be peace on earth, and the Bible prophecies tell us that it will happen. But it will happen on God's time table. The absolute end of war, oppression, poverty, etc. is not possible as long as sin is in the world. These things are the product of sin, and require more than mankind engaging in behavior modification, or character reformation.

We know from Scripture that things are going to get worse, not better until Messiah reappears. We see that happening all around us. We should work to make the world better as much as lies within our power to do so.

We should, everyday, seek ways to be a blessing and benefit to greater society, which by the way, I see as one of the most important messages of Chanukah. It is incumbent upon us to be a light to the nations, and to do what we can to encourage peace and mutual goodwill, in addition to bringing the world the light of Messiah Yeshua. To think that we will bring the world into absolute peace before the Messiah reappears, is simply incorrect.

[mikado5001]

It means don't go quoting any more Bangles songs...

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I wasn't quoting the Bangles. Though Jesus is THE ETERNAL FLAME!!!

Belinda Carlisle was from the GO-GO's.