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[apothanein kerdos]

Student expelled for lesbian parents

From correspondents in Los Angeles

24sep05

A TEENAGE girl has been expelled from a US Christian school after officials discovered her parents were lesbians whose lifestyle did not live up to church standards, the school said Friday.

The 14-year-old pupil, Shay Clark, was kicked out of the school in the town of Ontario east of Los Angeles on Thursday after teachers discovered that her mother and partner of 22 years were in a relationship the school did not consider Christian.

"The school requires that at least one parent be a confessing Christian and active in the local Christian church," Ontario Christian School said in a statement.

"In this case, the parent does not meet the criteria by participating in a homosexual relationship. We regret that this relationship was not disclosed at the time of admission, as that information would have prevented enrolment and the occasion for misunderstanding," the terse statement added.

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I would have thought that the school would have embraced the girl and tried to keep her on the straight and narrow. Now this girl may wind up being prejiduced against Christ because of the fear that the school demonstrated.

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A little leavening leavens the whole lump. It is apparent that lies were told to enter the student into the school. The devils purpose was involved here. What lengths would you go to, to keep your impressionable children from being taught smut even by other children? This child would need extra attention and teaching to get her to understand that her parents are going to hell because of their life style. This would not be fare to the other students and is not a Christian schools obligation or purpose. That is why the rules were made to begin with. If the rules are broken be it just or not, punishment is in order.

Denise

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How would it not be fair? How can God not take what Satan meant for evil and turn it around and use it for good? How is it not fair to spend extra time on another student? Yeah, that doesn't fit into our tight compartment of fairness, but let's face it, a lot of what God does doesn't seem fair. Was it fair that Jesus spent special time with 3 men and not with everyone?

Rules are stupid and when the rule is "if your parents are abhorant and obvious sinners you can't go here" then they go against the entire fabric of the Bible.

[nebula]

So what if they did? Does that negate the Christian duty?

I asked this before, but what is meant by "Christian duty?"

I Cor. 5

11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person. 12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

What of the Christian duty to guard the flock?

Sure, Jesus hung out with the "tax collectors and sinners" - but keep in mind, did He allow them to remain in their sin and hang out with Him?

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Well I certainly opened up the proverbial can-o-worms. I never realized how diametrically opposed the positions were. Impressionable children vs. Biblical duty. I have already made my views plain so I won't go into them again.

SJ and Deacon, I recommend a cooling off period. However, I won't lock this thread (it's my thread!) as attacks don't seen to be personal yet, just arguing on what the Bible says and what it doesn't say. And it is on topic. I will re-evaluate in a few hours after I get home from Church.

[apothanein kerdos]

So what if they did? Does that negate the Christian duty?

I asked this before, but what is meant by "Christian duty?"

I Cor. 5

11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person. 12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."

What of the Christian duty to guard the flock?

Sure, Jesus hung out with the "tax collectors and sinners" - but keep in mind, did He allow them to remain in their sin and hang out with Him?

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Note the part I highlighted...the problem occured when they discovered neither of the "parents" were Christians and didn't attend and were not active in a church. Likewise, the child was not a lesbian, thus why was the child kicked out? This scripture simply does not apply.

As for Christian duty, pay attention to Galatians and Ephesians, both deal with how we are to basically be Christ to this world.

ou haven't done anything to address the arguments of those who disagree with your position.

Yeah I have, you just can't respond to it because it's a flawless position. I know it's flawless because it's based upon the Bible.

I went line by line on your last post deacon, how is that not responding to those who object to what i have said?

[nebula]

This is what the girl said in the interview:

"I was born into this family and I love being in it," Shay told KCBS. "They shouldn't punish me because I haven't done anything wrong and they (my parents) haven't done anything wrong," she said.

They broke the rules, and she said they did nothing wrong?

[ruah brit]

Student expelled for lesbian parents

From correspondents in Los Angeles

24sep05

A TEENAGE girl has been expelled from a US Christian school after officials discovered her parents were lesbians whose lifestyle did not live up to church standards, the school said Friday.

The 14-year-old pupil, Shay Clark, was kicked out of the school in the town of Ontario east of Los Angeles on Thursday after teachers discovered that her mother and partner of 22 years were in a relationship the school did not consider Christian.

"The school requires that at least one parent be a confessing Christian and active in the local Christian church," Ontario Christian School said in a statement.

"In this case, the parent does not meet the criteria by participating in a homosexual relationship. We regret that this relationship was not disclosed at the time of admission, as that information would have prevented enrolment and the occasion for misunderstanding," the terse statement added.

Click here to read entire article

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I would have thought that the school would have embraced the girl and tried to keep her on the straight and narrow. Now this girl may wind up being prejiduced against Christ because of the fear that the school demonstrated.

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A little leavening leavens the whole lump. It is apparent that lies were told to enter the student into the school. The devils purpose was involved here. What lengths would you go to, to keep your impressionable children from being taught smut even by other children? This child would need extra attention and teaching to get her to understand that her parents are going to hell because of their life style. This would not be fare to the other students and is not a Christian schools obligation or purpose. That is why the rules were made to begin with. If the rules are broken be it just or not, punishment is in order.

Denise

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How would it not be fair? How can God not take what Satan meant for evil and turn it around and use it for good? How is it not fair to spend extra time on another student? Yeah, that doesn't fit into our tight compartment of fairness, but let's face it, a lot of what God does doesn't seem fair. Was it fair that Jesus spent special time with 3 men and not with everyone?

Rules are stupid and when the rule is "if your parents are abhorant and obvious sinners you can't go here" then they go against the entire fabric of the Bible.

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Christ did not waste his time with people who were not seeking help.

Matthew 8

34 And behold, the whole city came out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they begged Him to depart from their region.

Matthew 9

1 So He got into a boat, crossed over, and came to His own city.

This child is not seeking what the school is teaching. So do they put the whole lump at risk to allow such a one to continue?

"I was born into this family and I love being in it," Shay told KCBS. "They shouldn't punish me because I haven't done anything wrong and they (my parents) haven't done anything wrong," she said.

Denise

[apothanein kerdos]

They broke the rules, and she said they did nothing wrong?

She has been raised in a home that has taught her homosexuality is okay...yet you blame her for this and hold her accountable to it?

Christ did not waste his time with people who were not seeking help.

Of the disciples, which one sought Him out? Did the woman at the well seek Him out as well?

THis alone makes your logic of "the girl isn't seeking the school's teachings out, so throw her away" false.

[ruah brit]

She has been raised in a home that has taught her homosexuality is okay...yet you blame her for this and hold her accountable to it?

The Lord will hold every one responsible for rejecting Him. There is not an acceptable excuse. How long was she in the school and her sibling? What teachings by her own words were retained? Yet there would be no news of this if she had not been flaunting it in some Christian Childs face with all devilish pride.

Of the disciples, which one sought Him out? Did the woman at the well seek Him out as well?

THis alone makes your logic of "the girl isn't seeking the school's teachings out, so throw her away" false.

No one comes to Christ except that God draws them. No one comes to God except through Christ. Many are called but few are chosen. The Lord who is God knows everyone’s intent and purpose. He knows how and who He has called and chosen. The purpose of what happened in this case is in the forefront for all to hear if they can pay attention.

Denise

[apothanein kerdos]

The Lord will hold every one responsible for rejecting Him. There is not an acceptable excuse. How long was she in the school and her sibling? What teachings by her own words were retained? Yet there would be no news of this if she had not been flaunting it in some Christian Childs face with all devilish pride.

She didn't flaunt it in front of anyone. It was simply discovered. Where in the world do you get that she flaunted it...or is that the devilish prejudice you have?

Anyway, from the article we see that they were enrolled this year. In essence the girl was given less than two months to figure out what the Christian worldview was on homosexuality and to undergo a paradigm shift.

*sigh*

The biggest problem with Christianity is Christians.

No one comes to Christ except that God draws them. No one comes to God except through Christ. Many are called but few are chosen. The Lord who is God knows everyone

[nebula]

She has been raised in a home that has taught her homosexuality is okay...yet you blame her for this and hold her accountable to it?

Are you saying she is not to be held accountable for her beliefs?

Is she too young to be capable of making up her own mind?

Of the disciples, which one sought Him out?

John 1

37 The two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. 38 Then Jesus turned, and seeing them following, said to them, "What do you seek?" They said to Him, "Rabbi" (which is to say, when translated, Teacher), "where are You staying?" 39 He said to them, "Come and see." They came and saw where He was staying, and remained with Him that day (now it was about the tenth hour). 40 One of the two who heard John speak, and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 41 He first found his own brother Simon, and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which is translated, the Christ). 42 And he brought him to Jesus. Now when Jesus looked at him, He said, "You are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas" (which is translated, A Stone).

43 The following day Jesus wanted to go to Galilee, and He found Philip and said to him, "Follow Me." 44 Now Philip was from Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter. 45 Philip found Nathanael and said to him, "We have found Him of whom Moses in the law, and also the prophets, wrote--Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." 46 And Nathanael said to him, "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?" Philip said to him, "Come and see." 47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming toward Him, and said of him, "Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!" 48 Nathanael said to Him, "How do You know me?" Jesus answered and said to him, "Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you." 49 Nathanael answered and said to Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!" 50 Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you, 'I saw you under the fig tree,' do you believe? You will see greater things than these." 51 And He said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man."

Andrew, Peter and Nathaniel apparently sought Jesus out!

Did the woman at the well seek Him out as well?

As for the woman at the well . . . tradition holds her as a prostitute - but was she?

Note, she had 5 husbands, not 5 lovers. What if she was 5 times widowed, and the man she is living with - not her husband - is not a lover, but a relative(?) who had taken her under his care since she had no one left?

And why would a prostitute be drawing water from a sacred well?

And why would Jesus and her be discussing matters of theology if she were in sin?

And why would the town be swayed by her testimony of: "He told me everything I'd ever done" if she were the town prostitute? (Like who doesn't know what a prostitute does?)

What if she were instead a prophetess? Why else would she be asking Jesus such authoritative questions and testing Him out?

Of course, this is another topic indeed - my point though is that I don't see her fitting the mold you are asking for.

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Now I ask you, SJ -

How much time did Jesus spend with those who rejected Him?

And did He let the "tax collectors and sinners" who hung out with Him remain in their sin?