Im so saddened by this......legalized polygamy

[nebula]

"What is the fruit of polygomy?"

Polygyny? Lot's of children?

That's not what I meant.

Does polygomy result in love, joy, peace, . . . ?

Or contention, favoritism, strife, . . . ?

[RGR]

"What is the fruit of polygomy?"

Polygyny? Lot's of children?

That's not what I meant.

Does polygomy result in love, joy, peace, . . . ?

Or contention, favoritism, strife, . . . ?

Neb, he's here to argue and cause strife, not to answer questions with real answers.

[abbershay]

the same could be asked about regular marriage and christians even have a 50% rate

[nebula]

Ah!

Thus the reason Paul said, "For I wish that all men were even as I myself. [single]" 1 Cor. 1:7

[RGR]

Ah!

Thus the reason Paul said, "For I wish that all men were even as I myself. [single]" 1 Cor. 1:7

and some married people can agree with Paul's sentiments!

[hmh]

Ah!

Thus the reason Paul said, "For I wish that all men were even as I myself. [single]" 1 Cor. 1:7

and some married people can agree with Paul's sentiments!

Yup! DOH!

[Lionroot]

Greetings Ted,

I want to thank you. You have opened my eyes to something I had not seen before.

Sometimes, we simply have to consider what is being said, and derive, as best we can, a correct meaning and application of certain verses.

Thats very true Ted. One of the things that can help us do that is context. Not just understanding the surrounding text but in this case I want you to consider the author.

1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

You, as have others, have supposed that the qualifications for Bishop and Deacon were ideals that all should aspire to. The problem with this is that not only did Paul not live to this standard (consider what you bolded), he discouraged people from marrying at all and thus meeting the standard. <doh>

"It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. "- 1Cor 7:8b

Do you suppose now that he did not want people to be Bishops and Deacons? No, rather he knew that not all would be Bishops and Deacons, even as he himself was not, and did not qualify to be one.

Thanks again Ted.

God Bless,

Robert

Prakk, perhaps you missed my point.

There are many things not specifically mentioned in the Bible that we, today, consider to be of bad report, or against what the Bible is trying to teach us.

Sometimes, we simply have to consider what is being said, and derive, as best we can, a correct meaning and application of certain verses.

Example:

Paul, when giving these guidelines to Timothy concerning the office of Bishop (Elder, Pastor, etc), felt it was important to mention just how many wives were acceptable for one who desires the job-

1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Why do you think that Paul felt it was important to add the line of which I highlited in bold print? He placed it right in there along with other qualifying traits, or disqualifying, as the case may be.

Here, look at what he says about Deacons:

1Ti 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be g

rave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

1Ti 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

1Ti 3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

1Ti 3:11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

1Ti 3:13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Again we see the same thing. Now, do you suppose it's in there for a reason? If you believe like I do, that the Bible is the truth, then you can sorta derive from these verses that it was a bad thing to have more than one wife. Bad enough, anyway, to disqualify one from holding church office, wouldn't you say?

Seems to me like it's pretty important.

Let's see what else he had to say on the matter, shall we?

1Co 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

1Co 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

1Co 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

1Co 7:13 And the woman which hath a husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

1Co 7:16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

In this passage, I fail to see one mention of the word "wife" in the plural. I wonder why. Where would he get such an idea that a man should only have one wife?

Well, let's see what God Himself had to say on the matter:

Mar 10:1 And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judea by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.

Mar 10:2 And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.

Mar 10:3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?

Mar 10:4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.

Mar 10:5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.

Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

Mar 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

Mar 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

Mar 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

You do believe that Jesus is God, right?

Do you find it odd that Jesus would say this? It looks to me that He is saying that God made us male and female and for this cause, we are to become one flesh. No longer two seperate people, but one. Kinda hard to do when there's other wives in the mix, huh?

Let' go a little deeper.....

Mar 10:10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.

Mar 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.

Mar 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Notice a common theme yet?

Clearly, from verse 11, we see what Jesus is teaching on the subject. Now, I have heard others say "Well, it's cool, as long as the man doesn't divorce the wife. If he keeps her, he can still marry others".

That is not what the verse is getting at, nor is it even funny.

So, here's the deal. I can't think of one person mentioned in the Bible that was correct in having many wives. David was wrong, Abraham was wrong, Solomon was wrong, etc... it's simply not what God has created us for, as man and woman, as we saw from the above text.

Sure, keep posting that it wasn't specifically condemned in the OT. You do so, and teach such things at your own risk. Notice again in Mark 10:6 what Jesus says: "But from the beginning..." . From the very beginning, God had a certain plan for us, and because you use the example that many OT men went against this and had many wives, that the practice is ok?

No, it is not ok. Not even close, in fact.

Have a nice day!

t.

[Guest Prakk]

"That's not what I meant."

I know that, I responded in that way because your next questions indicate you did not carefully read what I have posted already, or that you have no way to advance your argument. So I will repeat that section of an earlier post in a different form.

It's my contention that all human beings have strife in their lives. The amount of strife we know about in a particular family relationship is not statisticly correlated with their monogamy or polygyny, but with the amount of detail we have about their lives. One could indict the first monogamy with Cain and Abel's conflict. We could smear Isaac and Rebecca, also monogamous, with nearly the same epithet, save for the fact that Rebecca, after meddling to the point of murder between her two boys, has the vision to send one of them away. Joseph and Mary were as perfect a couple as you could find, Jesus their son was perfect, yet his brothers didn't see that, until after he was raised.

"Neb, he's here to argue and cause strife, not to answer questions with real answers."

I am glad that you can see into the motives of my Heart, you must be truly blest of God, to my knowledge no man knows men's hearts, only God does, this must be some new and miraculous way of showing his blessings.

Sarcastic enough for you Ronald? Should I mention where sarcasm is used as a tool in scripture by God's people and by his apostles? James is particularly biting in his sarcasm. Sarcasm is a tool used by God through the writers of his word to make a point, several points on several occasions actually. The ability to peer into my innermost thoughts is a talent only ascribed to God, you would do well not to proclaim your ability as it cannot be from God.

Hugh McBryde

[Gerioke]

"That's not what I meant."

I know that, I responded in that way because your next questions indicate you did not carefully read what I have posted already, or that you have no way to advance your argument. So I will repeat that section of an earlier post in a different form.

It's my contention that all human beings have strife in their lives. The amount of strife we know about in a particular family relationship is not statisticly correlated with their monogamy or polygyny, but with the amount of detail we have about their lives. One could indict the first monogamy with Cain and Abel's conflict. We could smear Isaac and Rebecca, also monogamous, with nearly the same epithet, save for the fact that Rebecca, after meddling to the point of murder between her two boys, has the vision to send one of them away. Joseph and Mary were as perfect a couple as you could find, Jesus their son was perfect, yet his brothers didn't see that, until after he was raised.

"Neb, he's here to argue and cause strife, not to answer questions with real answers."

I am glad that you can see into the motives of my Heart, you must be truly blest of God, to my knowledge no man knows men's hearts, only God does, this must be some new and miraculous way of showing his blessings.

Sarcastic enough for you Ronald? Should I mention where sarcasm is used as a tool in scripture by God's people and by his apostles? James is particularly biting in his sarcasm. Sarcasm is a tool used by God through the writers of his word to make a point, several points on several occasions actually. The ability to peer into my innermost thoughts is a talent only ascribed to God, you would do well not to proclaim your ability as it cannot be from God.

Hugh McBryde

He's righ on the money from where I stand. The way you've been spamming me with your accusations indicates to me that you thrive on strife. Please stop contactting me through PM. If you have something to say, then say it. I can' figure out if you are a big baby and can't handle when someone questions your motives, or are you the evil predator that others seem to identify in you. Seek help friend.

[nebula]

It's my contention that all human beings have strife in their lives. The amount of strife we know about in a particular family relationship is not statisticly correlated with their monogamy or polygyny, but with the amount of detail we have about their lives. One could indict the first monogamy with Cain and Abel's conflict. We could smear Isaac and Rebecca, also monogamous, with nearly the same epithet, save for the fact that Rebecca, after meddling to the point of murder between her two boys, has the vision to send one of them away. Joseph and Mary were as perfect a couple as you could find, Jesus their son was perfect, yet his brothers didn't see that, until after he was raised.

Prakk -

Why do you want more than one wife?

- Instead of one wife nagging you to get the roof fixed, you'd have 2+ wives nagging you.

- When your wives get into a fight with each other, you will be put in the center of it.

- If you give one wife more attention than the other, the other will whine to you about it.

- Half-sibling contention for favored position will pester you.

- Children from the less favored wife will not feel as loved by you and will have greter anger or depression problems.

The list can go on.

What blessings come from polygomy?

(If all you say more children, I'm gonna bop you.)

Why would woman want to share a man with another woman?

What does the woman gain?

Or do you even care?

What blessings do the children benefit from polygomous parents?