IF 'the dead' DEAD are not resurrected, who are we to rule and reign over for the 1000 years.

[com7fy8]

28 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

How many people do you think can go 3 1/2 years without eating?

In case you mean the ones who refuse the mark of the beast . . . 

who says they will need to buy or sell?

God's plagues will be killing so many people who are evil; and those plagues will make it impossible for evil ones to mess with God's children, except if and when God allows them to chop off our heads. Deaths by those plagues will leave behind children and cars and houses and refrigerators with food, or, of course, village huts and donkeys and chickens and harvests . . . all for the taking by ones being refused the right to buy or sell, plus they can adopt those orphans left behind by God killing their evil parents. And those children can be brought up in Jesus.

One of those stinger locusts might zap a truck driver with a load of food, and over the bank it goes . . . to Jesus' people who do not have the right to buy or sell.

Except when God allows Satan's people to kill the servants of Jesus, it might be easier than when they used to work for a living! They might be able to choose their house, each night, pick which car to drive for the day. When they're out of gas, just get another one . . . or get another donkey . . . depending on where in the world they are.

Jesus says His yoke is easy and His burden is light, right? Matthew 11:28-30. So, we learn now how to obey Jesus so we are ready to live in His "rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:28-30) during any problems. He is almighty in any situation; He is spiritual enough to do this in us > 

"the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus," (in Philippians 4:6-7) > we are guaranteed this while we obey and pray the way God's word says. God's peace is almighty to guard our "minds" against any evil and cruel stuff, and keep us sharing with God through Jesus.

Edited October 5, 2022 by com7fy8

[DeighAnn]

Just now, com7fy8 said:

In case you mean the ones who refuse the mark of the beast . . . 

who says they will need to buy or sell?

God's plagues will be killing so many people who are evil; and those plagues will make it impossible for evil ones to mess with God's children, except if and when God allows them to chop off our heads. Deaths by those plagues will leave behind children and cars and houses and refrigerators with food, or, of course, village huts and donkeys and chickens and harvests . . . all for the taking by ones being refused the right to buy or sell, plus they can adopt those orphans left behind by God killing their evil parents. And those children can be brought up in Jesus.

One of those stinger locusts might zap a truck driver with a load of food, and over the bank it goes . . . to Jesus' people who do not have the right to buy or sell.

Except when God allows Satan's people to kill the servants of Jesus, it might be easier than when they used to work for a living! They might be able to choose their house, each night, pick which car to drive for the day. When they're out of gas, just get another one . . . or get another donkey . . . depending on where in the world they are.

Jesus says His yoke is easy and His burden is light, right? Matthew 11:28-30. So, we learn now how to obey Jesus so we are ready to live in His "rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:28-30) during any problems. He is almighty in any situation; He is spiritual enough to do this in us > 

"the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus," > we are guaranteed this while we obey and pray the way God's word says. God's peace is almighty to guard our "minds" against any evil and cruel stuff, and keep us sharing with God through Jesus.

All I asked was how many people are going to stop eating, driving, clothing, using electricity etc. for 3 1/2 years?

Remember if they DON'T READ THE BIBLE they won't know it's a problem will they?  If they don't know it's a problem then why would they NOT buy and sell?  

I'll discuss the rest after we get through this point if you would like.  If not that's ok too. 

[Selah7]

21 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

 you.  

Okay, so in this 12th verse, we are told that “the dead were judged according to their works,” not faith.  So then, this must be after the Millennium; this is The Great White Throne Judgment.  This judgment does not take faith into consideration because it is only the First Resurrection that takes faith into consideration, and this happens on The Lord’s Day at the Second Coming.  So again, it is on the last day of the Millennium, the GWTJ, when souls are judged by works only.  Right?    

Selah

[Selah7]

13 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

During those thousand years children will be born and they will have to choose to Believe or not to Believe Jesus ,just as everyone did before them since the beginning of time.

I don’t believe so, @kwikphilly, and this is why.  Marriage is a thing of the flesh.  In the Millennium, there is no giving in marriage as everyone will be in spiritual bodies.     Selah 

And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. "But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;

- Luke 20:34-35 

 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Selah7 said:

 you.  

Okay, so in this 12th verse, we are told that “the dead were judged according to their works,” not faith.  So then, this must be after the Millennium; this is The Great White Throne Judgment.  This judgment does not take faith into consideration because it is only the First Resurrection that takes faith into consideration, and this happens on The Lord’s Day at the Second Coming.  So again, it is on the last day of the Millennium, the GWTJ, when souls are judged by works only.  Right?    

Selah

I have never considered that before, thank you for sharing.  

Yes, the dead are 'the dead' because they never came to faith before they died.  They can't come to faith once they rise because they are being raised up/resurrected to the Kingdom of Heaven and EVERYONE KNOWS Christ is sitting on the throne. So yes it will be their works and it will be the last day as there is no 'coming in faith' possible after you have died the first death as you have to wait until AFTER Satan is loosed.  We all get tested. 

For that reason, I don't see the first or second resurrection as to time and place I see it as to faith and no faith.  


Everyone agrees that when the SAVED 'pass through death' they are RAISED up to heaven, YET SOMEHOW that isn't considered 'a resurrection of the dead'... 

For some reason that is just a raising before the descending for the raising of a body, WHICH IS considered a resurrection???

Things I can't understand 


I believe there is ONLY 1 resurrection for the Never Die, every man in his own order, because they are never amongst the dead because they follow Christ to heaven, return to rule and reign, with no fear of 2nd death aka 1st resurrection

2nd resurrection is having been resurrected out from death,  to try and get you name into the book of life at the end of 1000 years and doing so

2nd death is either resurrection at the return of Christ or raised up at end of GWTJ.  



And still no one will deal with the problem of what comes up out from corruption doesn't receive immortality.  So 'saved' or not if it is being resurrected from the corrupt earth it is not becoming immortal for 1000 years so there is NOTHING rising that will be ruling and reigning.  

Sorry.  And Thank you.  I will add that to the mix.  
 

[Michael37]

8 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Who survives in the flesh when Christ returns?  NOT ONE person who took the mark of the beast.  Who took the mark of the beast?  The whole world.  Who didn't take the mark of the beast?  Those who endure to the end.  What happens to the alive and remaining who endure to the end?  They are changed.  

Those who refuse to worship the image of the beast and refuse to receive his mark on their forehead or hands are martyred. David Jeremiah has some very good material about these being Jews that come to Christ during this time of trouble.

Does this need some clarifying?

Rev 13:15  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

[Hobie_]

3 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Those who refuse to worship the image of the beast and refuse to receive his mark on their forehead or hands are martyred. David Jeremiah has some very good material about these being Jews that come to Christ during this time of trouble.

Does this need some clarifying?

Rev 13:15  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Again, need to see what the beast entails and how the image of the beast repeats the same things as a political and religious entity. With the turmoil we see now in America and the push against Russia in the war in Ukraine we now can see how the path for the emergence of the image of the beast is being laid out. China is basically sidelined and the whole world is following the United States in this new world order that is coming together and solidifying.  So we need to go and look at more closely at what this entails and how it acts in terms of the end times. So what does Revelation mean by the expression “the image of the beast”? Lets look in Rev 13 to begin..

Revelation 13:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:11-15 King James Version (KJV)
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

This shows the beast of Revelation and depicts the attempt of an unholy entity to counteract God’s plan, and the only one that did this was the apostate power of the Middle Ages that persecuted the true believers and is still with us today. We see this evil entity now having a image with the whole world following the image as happened with the original beast.

The image of the beast is basically a power which will duplicate the form and behavior of the beast power in Revelation 13. It will convince many that its words and purpose are true despite not being in full harmony with God and will persuade the people of the earth, believers and non-believers, to follow its religious-political power. The image or lamblike beast will also begin speaking like a dragon and exercising the power of the beast, showing that it will become as intolerant with anyone standing in its way especially in setting aside of laws and foundational liberties, which we certainly are seeing today. The image of the beast is an end time entity, comprised of a power who reflects the character of the dragon, and has religious-economic-political power to impose its will, and the United States has that power.  This results in people receiving the mark of the beast which is by following it in its false practices of worship, which is really worship of the Beast, and corruption of society and morality, as we see happening now. We now see what happens next in Revelation 14...

Revelation 14:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Worshiping what the image sets forth in its corruption and distortion of Gods truth is a direct way of worshiping the Beast, but there are other ways. 

The evil spreading over America and its rise as the image, is also the loss of the foundational rights and the laws of America and the emergence of a corrupted way of living, and destruction of morality and the true worship of God, and we are seeing this at almost every level. Think about it.

Edited October 6, 2022 by Hobie_

[kwikphilly]

3 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Those who refuse to worship the image of the beast and refuse to receive his mark on their forehead or hands are martyred. David Jeremiah has some very good material about these being Jews that come to Christ during this time of trouble.

Does this need some clarifying?

Rev 13:15  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

I do like David Jeremiah.....He did an entire series on all these subjects,it was well done--- especially regarding the Jews coming to Christ during that time,very well done!

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Those who refuse to worship the image of the beast and refuse to receive his mark on their forehead or hands are martyred. David Jeremiah has some very good material about these being Jews that come to Christ during this time of trouble.

Does this need some clarifying?

Rev 13:15  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Now Christ returns.  What happens to those who TOOK THE MARK of the BEAST?  FROM KINGS on down to the bottom rung of the eschaton are the feast for the birds and all the remnant are slain with the sword.  Then all the alive and remaining are changed. 

THAT LEAVES ZERO bad guys in the flesh and ZERO good guys in the flesh.  


The gospel goes out to the whole world, then comes the end, The whole world is deceived, the time is shortened FOR THE ELECTS sake or else no flesh would be left,  so EVERYONE has taken the mark of the beast and it is down to the last flesh standing NOT HAVING BEEN DECEIVED and enduring to the end.  When Christ returns all those who have taken the mark of the beast are killed, in the wine press where the blood goes up to the bridles of the horses etc.   

Bad people left ZERO.  The alive and remaining who have endured to the end, are changed leaving ZERO good people in the flesh.  


What NO CHRISTIAN should fear is the 1st death in which we GLORIFY God as we just PASS through death and with WHAT body are we raised up?  The spiritual body when we FOLLOW HIM where He went and those who 'sleep' (cause they are coming back to the earth still alive) GOD WILL BRING WITH HIM.  

WHY don't Christians fear death?  BECAUSE the JOY that is found for us once we do die.   
With Christ we read 

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

For CHRISTIANS following Christ by picking up their crosses WHO FOR the joy set before them ENDURED THE GREAT TRIBULATION, not knowing with WHAT DEATH they should glorify God.  

Hebrews 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Hebrews 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

 When is our job done?  Once we have picked up our cross and followed Him.  IF WE DON'T DO THAT we are not worthy of the kingdom of Heaven.  

Who receives the REWARDS promised to all the churches?  HIM THAT ENDURES TO THE END.  Him that OVERCOMES all things.   

It isn't like GODS GREAT wrath hasn't fallen before.  Or His anger hasn't waxed hot.  


If we GLORIFY GOD with our death THEN WHY WOULD GOD TAKE ALL THAT GLORY away from the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS AT HIS RETURN?  

 

 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Hobie_ said:

The evil spreading over America and its rise as the image, is also the loss of the foundational rights and the laws of America and the emergence of a corrupted way of living, and destruction of morality and the true worship of God, and we are seeing this at almost every level. Think about it.

When it comes, I don't think there will be any questions, in anyone's mind, as to a SUPERNATUAL power having arrived and taking over. 

Satan and his angels aren't coming in secret. 'Like lightening fall from the sky'
and IN EVERY power and signs and lying wonders,

Mark 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.


dunamis: (miraculous) power, might, strength

sémeion: a sign, miracle, indication, mark, token (typically miraculous), given especially to confirm, corroborate or authenticate.  emphasizes the end-purpose which exalts the one giving it. Accordingly, it is used dozens of times in the NT for what authenticates the Lord and His eternal purpose, especially by doing what mere man can not replicate of take credit for.

teras: a wonder, portent, marvel a miraculous wonder, done to elicit a reaction from onlookers; an extraordinary event with its supernatural effect left on all witnessing it, i.e. a portent from heaven to earth.


Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.