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  1. What if it was a church elder or pastor, would that have to be brought up in a church board meeting if they were going over the women in the church?
  2. "Attractive" is incorrect as that is more a carnal desire or coveting, "handsome" is more in line with what we use. Latin men as a norm are very handsome on the whole, look at the soccer players, and I would admire them as I would any of Gods creation, but not be attracted as that would be against God on many levels. Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
  3. You got the verses, now how do they affect us in everyday life. If I say "there goes a real looker", and just appreciate the beauty of Gods handiwork, is that going too far or the same as seeing a sunflower and admiring it?
  4. This should be pretty straightforward, as these stumbling blocks are Satans greatest tools in addicting man, and bringing him into his lair of sin and destruction. So what are these 3 temptations and how do they make us sin?
  5. Daniel 8 King James Version (KJV) 8 In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first. 2 And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai. 3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last. 4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great. 5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. 6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power. 7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. 8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. 9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. 15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man. 16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision. 17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision. 18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. 19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. 20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. 22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. The prophecy is going over the time line of empires as we see Daniel received this vision twelve years before the fall of Babylon. So it shows the next empire or Medo-Persia which is the “ram”, verse 20 identifies this “ram” as Medo-Persia. The “two horns” represent the two parts of the empire with the Persians, the younger of the two nations, becoming dominant over the Medes. Verses 21 and 22 identify the “goat” as Greece the “great horn that is between his eyes is the first king” was Alexander the Great, who came from the west and defeated the armies of Persia. Alexander died and his four generals took over and are represented by the “four horns.” The next power after the Greek empire is now the focus and we know that this power sent its legions to surround Jerusalem and destroy those inside along with the sanctuary. So this is not a matter of days, it is 2300 prophetic years, and the time line can be followed and shows what is and is to come and happens.
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    Who are the 144,000...?

    This is the living saints who have been sealed just before the Second Coming of Christ. Revelation 7:3 King James Version (KJV) 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. The coming of our Lord is put off until the “servants of God” and “sealed” “in their foreheads.” Ezekiel 9 King James Version (KJV) 9 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand. 2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar. 3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; 4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. 5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. The seal is a mark of God’s protection for His people. It is identical to the name of God “written in their foreheads.” Ephesians 4:30 King James Version (KJV) 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Revelation 14:1 King James Version (KJV) 14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. Revelation 22:4 King James Version (KJV) 4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. God’s name signifies His character and the “forehead” is where the 'heart and mind' or conscience resides and decisions are made. So the “seal” or “name” in the forehead is the character of God written in the mind. We see who these saints are: Revelation 14:12 King James Version (KJV) 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And it is the living saints who are the remnant at the end: Revelation 12:17 King James Version (KJV) 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. So lets go next to see more on the remnant who are sealed and have the mark of God in their foreheads
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    Who are the 144,000...?

    Well lets take a look at the characteristics and see if the 'children of Abraham', as Gentiles are now grafted in, if the characteristics gives more understanding of who they are. Well lets look at Revelation 14 and see what it tells us: Revelation 7:2-4 King James Version (KJV) 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Revelation 14:3-5 King James Version (KJV) 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. Revelation 15:2-3 King James Version (KJV) 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. 3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. So we see they learn a special new song like the song of Moses which is a song of deliverance, that only they can learn and now is the song of the lamb and clearly are those redeemed from earth. They do not have the mark of the beast on their foreheads or their hands, and have not defiled themselves with women. They are virgins. which means that they have not defiled themselves with false religion and ideas and doctrines which come from the beast or they have separated themselves from these corrupted beliefs. They follow Jesus or the Lamb, and as first fruits they are a special group of children of God, who are sealed and transformed through God's grace. This is not just some of the redeemed but those who are alive through the last days and stand ready as the living for the Second Coming for Christ to take them to heaven along with those He resurrects of the dead in Christ. Daniel tells us of the time of trouble and scripture says, "and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book" and those in the grave "that sleep in the dust of the earth" shall be resurrected, some to everlasting life others to everlasting damnation. Daniel 12:1-4 King James Version (KJV) 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
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    Who are the 144,000...?

    Their is a group that the book of Revelation tells us about, it is of the 144,000 at the end time. They have a special relationship with the Lamb, and they also sing a special song. But who exactly are the 144,000 which the scripture tells us about, is it literal or symbolic, and who will fill its ranks before the end? To really understand the identity of the 144,000, we must look in Scripture that describe the 144,000, so lets start in Revelation: Revelation 7:1-4 King James Version (KJV) 7 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Revelation 14:1-5 King James Version (KJV) 14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. Now we get a key clue in verse 12: Revelation 14:12 King James Version (KJV) 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And we also find this characteristic in Revelation 12: Revelation 12:17 King James Version (KJV) 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Now lets see if we can find a clue to what tribes came back to Israel after they were taken away. As we need to determine whether or not this 144,000 are actually 12,000 literal Israelites from their 12 respective tribes. If you take a closer look it becomes obvious that this is simply impossible, as the Old Testament reveals another important clue. Because the 10 northern tribes gave themselves to idolatry and other evils, the Assyrians were allowed to carry them away in 722 BC. 2 Kings 17:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 In the ninth year of Hoshea the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes. So this leaves us the tribes of Judah and Benjamin who were themselves taken off to Babylon, but after 70 years in captivity, were allowed to return. But with the other 10 tribes, they are latterly called the 'lost ten tribes of Israel'. So this gives us to understand that we must be looking at figurative or symbolic language, so we must take a close look at the characteristics of who compose this end time group to understand them. So we must start there:
  9. Hobie_

    Did Christ suffer the second death for us?

    Your Greek and Hebrew is hitting the nail on the head my brother. We see what scripture tells us that He die 'as' or 'for' our sin not His: Isaiah 53:5-6 King James Version (KJV) 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:10-12 King James Version (KJV) 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
  10. Hobie_

    Did Christ suffer the second death for us?

    What Christ came to pay the price for was the sin which causes us to be separated from God, or the second death. Everyone dies and goes to the grave, so the first death is a given. And so that leaves the second death. All men will fall to the first death and all men will at the last day be raised and judged. Acts 2:29-34 King James Version (KJV) 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Peter said that even David was dead and still in his Jerusalem tomb after Christ but not all men will fall to the second death. 1 Corinthians 15:1-22 King James Version (KJV) 15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed. 12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. Paul, a believer, still died the first death, not even he escaped that. The only death left on the table for him to escape was the second death, and he expected that because of Jesus, he would.
  11. Hobie_

    Did Christ suffer the second death for us?

    Not quiet that simple as man is mortal, and so man dies at least once. John 11 King James Version (KJV) 11 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha. 2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.) 3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick. 4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby. 5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus. 6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was. 7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again. 8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again? 9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. 10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. 11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. 15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him. 16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellowdisciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him. 17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already. 18 Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off: 19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. 20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house. 21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee. 23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world. 28 And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee. 29 As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him. 30 Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place where Martha met him. 31 The Jews then which were with her in the house, and comforted her, when they saw Mary, that she rose up hastily and went out, followed her, saying, She goeth unto the grave to weep there. 32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled. 34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. 35 Jesus wept. 36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him! 37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died? 38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it. 39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days. 40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? 41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. 42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. 43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. 44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. The death Lazarus faced and was raised from is the first death. Men died before Christ and men still die after Christ, and as such our conclusion is that His ministry here did not eliminate the first death. So humans are mortal, all humans die, and Christ's first coming did not change that. Christians have never argued that He saved us from mortality, and so there is only the second death left for him to save us from. If one believes He did not experience and conquer the second death, one has to then explain where you derive your hope of escaping it and what is it He did experience and conquer.
  12. The Daniel 8 prophecy gives the prophetic history of the world from the rise of the Persian Empire till the final destruction of all earthly kingdoms by the God at the end times. The empires shown was presented to the prophet under the symbols of a ram, a goat, and a little horn that became exceedingly great. Read and you will see that the angel Gabriel revealed that the ram represented the kingdom of Media and Persia; and that the goat was the kingdom of Greece, and next came Rome. And with these symbols of the empires, the prophet learned the duration of his vision. Daniel 8:13-14 King James Version (KJV) 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Now, it is plain that the period of twenty-three hundred days cannot be understood to mean so many literal days; for this would not make quite seven years, and would cover only a very small part of the duration of one of the great empires of this vision. But you need to take into the timeline that in this vision as the great empires of the world are represented by symbols, and thus it is necessary that the time should be given on a scale that corresponds with this. For the Persian, Grecian, and Roman Empires were not just a few days. The days must therefore represent longer periods of time. Now God gave us the key to understand prophey, and this is the rule shown to Ezekiel in the interpretation of the symbols of his own vision: Ezekiel 4:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. This period of two thousand and three hundred days are prophetic day which must be two thousand and three hundred years. And there is a certain event to take place when this period expires, is called the cleansing of the sanctuary and everyone needs to read their Bibles to learn what it teaches respecting the sanctuary and its cleansing. The Bible unveils prophecy with this key and it shows you it over and over and history confirms it. We find support for the day-year principle as in Ezekial if you look at the following scripture showing precedence: Numbers 14:34 King James Version (KJV) 34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise. The children of Israel will wander for 40 years in the wilderness, one year for every day spent by the spies in Canaan. And as seen in Jesus' use of the day-year principle in Luke: Luke 13:31-33 King James Version (KJV) 31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. 32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected. 33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
  13. Hobie_

    Did Christ suffer the second death for us?

    Wow, I like that explanation my brother. He suffered beyond just a death, He was having to face the pains of the "Second Death" as you say for all our sins which took to the cross and we can see the agony as it weighed on Him. Here is the setting from Luke: Luke 22 King James Version (KJV) 22 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. 2 And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people. 3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. 4 And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them. 5 And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money. 6 And he promised, and sought opportunity to betray him unto them in the absence of the multitude. 7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. 8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. 9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? 10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. 11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 12 And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. 13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. 14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. 15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: 16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. 17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: 18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. 19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. 21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table. 22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed! 23 And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing. 24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. 25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. 27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth. 28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. 29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: 32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. 33 And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death. 34 And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me. 35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. 39 And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him. 40 And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation. 41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, 42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. 43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. 44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. Christ didn't just suffer the penalty of the law of God but there was more. We read of the connection to the Father and of His Father’s love. But Christ’s anguish was deeper than any sense of impending death or physical pain it was something of such intensity that we can have but faint conception of it. If the sufferings of Christ consisted in physical pain alone, then His death was no more painful than that of any persecuted saint or even disciple. But bodily pain was just a small part of the agony. The sins of the world were upon Him, also the sense of His Father’s wrath as He suffered the penalty of the law transgressed. It was the full separation that sin makes between God and man was fully realized and the face of His Father hidden. With legions of evil angels and the evil one pressing in, with the sins of the world upon Him about to do something that would case the suffering of the "Second Death". Lets me look up the next part in scripture that gives us the key to the answer.
  14. This has nothing to do with the false idea of a 7-Year tribulation, this is about Christ and points to Him and His ministry as our High Priest. The Day of Atonement was a cleansing of the earthly sanctuary that symbolized the actual cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary as we read in Daniel 8. This cleansing is what takes us to the judgment phase and Daniel tells us it would take place at the end of the 2300-day prophecy: Daniel 8:14 King James Version (KJV) 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. In the Day of Atonement of the earthly tabernacle the blood of the sacrificial goat was needed for the high priest’s ministry to begin in the Holy of Holies or the Most Holy Place. In the heavenly one not made with human hands, Jesus could not have begun His work of ministering as our High Priest until after the cross. As He could not do the work in the heavenly Holy of Holies until after He had shed His own blood. This is what Daniel is referencing in Daniel 8, at the end of the 2300-day. The 2300-day prophecy has its start in 457 BC when Artaxerxes issued a decree to rebuild Jerusalem as Daniel 8 and 9 go together as the smaller 70-week prophecy is part of the 2300-day. Now we go read in Daniel 9: 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. The 2300-day prophecy is using the day-year principle in both Daniel 8 and 9, the same as Jesus used, that one day in prophecy equals a year. The angel Gabriel in Verse 25 tells us when this begins, 'from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem.' and Ezra 7 tells us when it was given by Artaxerxes, was 457 BC. When we use the day-year principle and convert the 2300 prophetic days into years we then add those years to 457 BC to see when the prophecy ends. Therefore, the cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary begins at the end of the 2300 years as “then shall the sanctuary be cleansed” (Daniel 8:14). Jesus entered the Holy of Holies at that time to begin His work of the antitypical Day of Atonement. The Jews associated the Day of Atonement with the Day of Judgment of the end time and in the earthly tabernacle the high priest’s actions on the Day of Atonement represented the cleansing of the sanctuary, basically the wiping out of sin and as the Day of Judgment which were seen as part of the steps which would lead to the final salvation of Israel. The Day of Atonement on earth pointed to the judgment taking place in heaven before the return of Christ. Christ must do the High Priest ministry in heaven prior to His return to the earth, so that He can separate the saved from the lost at His coming.
  15. Daniel 8 gives us a timeline that takes us to the end times, but does it also show us more? Daniel 8 King James Version (KJV) 8 In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first. 2 And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai. 3 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last. 4 I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great. 5 And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes. 6 And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power. 7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand. 8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven. 9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Does it show when the hour of His judgment on the timeline to the end has arrived. And how does Hebrews 9 show us how the sanctuary is cleanses and by what? Hebrews 9 King James Version (KJV) 9 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. 2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. 3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; 4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant; 5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly. 6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. 7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: 8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. 18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. 21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. 23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: The Day of Atonement was a cleansing of the earthly tabernacle and according to the law, there is no cleansing from sin without shedding of blood. This was accomplished by the death of the lamb brought for offering. Without death, there can be no cleansing of sin. But Moses tabernacle was from a pattern he was shown, so what was the tabernacle not made with hands? Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
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