Climate Change Is Extremely Political And Agenda Serving, Unfortunately It Is Also True

[other one]

19 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Man has succeeded in changing climate.   Mesopotamia was once a fertile and green land.   It's now semi-arid to desert.   It started with poor irrigation practices that caused salt buildup, and then by depleting nutrients from the soil.  

The Romans did something similar to Israel by cutting down all the forests; Israel is now changing the climate back by careful management.

 

The way you quoted believeinhim's post makes it appear she wrote what another person wrote that she quoted. We all should be careful not to do that. It's aggravating as....  well you know.

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, other one said:

The way you quoted believeinhim's post makes it appear she wrote what another person wrote that she quoted. We all should be careful not to do that. It's aggravating as....  well you know.

Sorry, I'll avoid that in the future.

 

[The Barbarian]

On 5/24/2023 at 6:16 AM, Ps37 said:

In any event, when in the span of a few posts, someone can go from

 

On 5/8/2023 at 5:23 PM, The Barbarian said:

I can't think of one that would even be completely flooded in this century.   This kind of hysterical exaggeration is a common characteristic of denier websites.

 

to

On 5/23/2023 at 2:13 PM, The Barbarian said:

the assertion that rising sea levels could "all but erase" certain coastal cities in the next century are what scientists are predicting.

They pretty much fit.   "All but erase certain cities", because none of them will be completely flooded.    Or at least that's what the evidence suggests.

 

[Ps37]

4 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

They pretty much fit.   "All but erase certain cities", because none of them will be completely flooded.    Or at least that's what the evidence suggests.

 

 

When referring to the NY Times article "Rising Seas Will Erase More Cities by 2050", you stated

 

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The titles were misleading

 

Yet you also stated

 

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the assertion that rising sea levels could "all but erase" certain coastal cities in the next century are what scientists are predicting. 

 

When the assertion that rising sea levels could all but erase cities is simultaneously "misleading" and "what scientists are predicting," I'm comfortable maintaining my skepticism.

 

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, Ps37 said:

When the assertion that rising sea levels could all but erase cities is simultaneously "misleading" and "what scientists are predicting," I'm comfortable maintaining my skepticism.

The evidence shows that some cities will be nearly completely flooded.   But the title of that magazine article is misleading, since it implies that entire cities will be completely flooded.   Other than some island nations, that seems to be an exaggeration.    We often see deniers ignoring scientific literature to pettifog about what a magazine wrote. 

For reasons everyone can understand.

 

[The Barbarian]

Nicole LeBoeuf, acting director of NOAA's National Ocean Service, said the eastern Gulf of Mexico — including Florida — saw nine flood days last year. That's a 600% increase since the year 2000.

LeBouef says it's only going to get worse.

"For the first time in human history, the infrastructure we build must be designed and constructed with future conditions in mind," she said. "And along the coast, that means high-tide flooding conditions in mind.

Here's some of the report's findings:

• St. Petersburg faces the highest long-term projection of flooding days of any of the 15 cities in Florida cited by the report. St. Petersburg saw two to three days of high-tide flooding in 2020. That number is projected to increase to 15 to 85 days in 2050.
• Clearwater saw four to six high-tide flood days in 2020. That is projected to increase to 10 to 55 days in 2050.
• Miami saw three to six days in 2020, and is projected to jump to between 10 to 55 days in 2050.
• Cape Canaveral saw seven to 12 days in 2020, and is expected to increase to between 20 to 65 days in 2050.

"As sea level rise continues, damaging floods that decades ago happened only during a storm are now happening more regularly, even without severe weather such as during a full moon, tide or with a change in wind and currents," LeBouef said.

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/environment/2021-07-15/sunny-day-high-tide-flooding-may-soon-affect-much-of-floridas-coast

 

[Ps37]

13 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

The evidence shows that some cities will be nearly completely flooded.   But the title of that magazine article is misleading, since it implies that entire cities will be completely flooded.

 

 

Sounds like pettifogging over "nearly completely" and "completely."

If the title had read, "Rising Seas Will All But Erase More Cities by 2050",

to what extent would the threat have been "less exaggerated"?

 

If someone, God forbid, says to you "I'm going to all but erase you," how less threatened do you feel than if they were to say, "I'm going to erase you"?

If the Times is engaging in exaggeration, are they not, by your previous definition a "denier" outlet?

 

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China, for example, has a huge problem with many millions of people living in areas likely to be frequently or permanently flooded in this century.

 

Does China know this?

 

[The Barbarian]

2 hours ago, Ps37 said:

If the Times is engaging in exaggeration, are they not, by your previous definition a "denier" outlet?

Still sounds like pettifogging over "nearly completely" and "completely."

Why not just to to the scientific literature and see what the evidence says?  

Or is avoiding that, what this is all about?

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by The Barbarian

[The Barbarian]

China, for example, has a huge problem with many millions of people living in areas likely to be frequently or permanently flooded in this century.

2 hours ago, Ps37 said:

Does China know this?

Yep. 

https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1006652

In the past, they've tried to go with cheap fixes.   Apparently, they are still dithering over what to do, and mostly don't want to talk about it with others.

 

[Ps37]

16 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Still sounds like pettifogging over "nearly completely" and "completely."

Why not just to to the scientific literature and see what the evidence says?  

Or is avoiding that, what this is all about?

 

 

On 5/25/2023 at 9:26 PM, The Barbarian said:

The evidence shows that some cities will be nearly completely flooded. 

 

But Obama's coastline acreage at 1 meter above sea level is safe.

Check.

 

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China, for example, has a huge problem with many millions of people living in areas likely to be frequently or permanently flooded in this century.

 

But China emits more greenhouse gas than the entire developed world combined.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57018837

Check.

 

Some place more trust than others do in the honesty of politicians, the donors who control them, the scientists funded by them, and the media who do their bidding in their claims that man controls climate through being able to "change" it.

Some place more trust than others do that there can be no nefarious intent behind the application of the label "existential threat" to one issue after the other.

Some place more trust than others do in the utility of labeling those who refuse to fall in line behind them as "deniers" or "anti-science" (or, as the issue-of-the moment requires, "anti-vaxxers", "racists", "sexists", "homophobes", "transphobes", "xenophobes", etc.).

 

Some of us place our trust in knowing that it wasn't the guys in the boat who had any control over the sea level:

Matthew 8:26-27

Mark 4:39-41

Luke 8:24-25

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 27, 2023 by Ps37