Is it haughty and arrogant to proclaim oneself saved?

[Michael37]

17 hours ago, NCAP said:

The dead are not alive. That is why the dead are unsaved.

Hi NCAP,

I was waiting for someone else to challenge you on your statement, but since no-one has I will.

Do you think all the dead are unsaved, including those who are in Christ? 

If so, why, given the Scriptures teach that those abiding in Christ are assured of salvation?

1Jn 2:24-25  Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.  (25)  And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.

1Jn 5:11-13  And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.  (12)  He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.  (13)  These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

Blessings from Michael37.

[Michael37]

6 hours ago, NCAP said:

You have an attitude towards them that is also found in the bible.

Also, He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others (Luke 18:9)

Please, @NCAP, no ad hominem fallacies. There are edifying ways to express different points of view without making direct personal attacks.

@Not of the World  has not said anything to warrant the accusation that he trusts in himself for righteousness, quite the opposite here.

[NCAP]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

Hi NCAP,

I was waiting for someone else to challenge you on your statement, but since no-one has I will.

Do you think all the dead are unsaved, including those who are in Christ? 

If so, why, given the Scriptures teach that those abiding in Christ are assured of salvation?

(12)  He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 

What exactly do the dead have?

Edited October 17, 2022 by NCAP

[NCAP]

Maybe I shouldn't use the word do. So let me rephrase the question.

The dead have exactly what?

[Riverwalker]

Not at all

Salvation is nothing we earn....it is a gift, given to all who ask

It is the promise of God that He will never break

I can do nothing to earn it and I can do nothing to lose it

(though it can be given away)  So when we say were are saved...we ARE bragging....on God

[NCAP]

56 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

So when we say were are saved...we ARE bragging....on God

If the dead can't brag about anything, then the brag they used to make while alive is false.

Maybe you would like to answer the following question:

The dead have exactly what?

[Not of the World]

9 hours ago, AnOrangeCat said:

I think it's fine, but it has to be done in the right spirit and in the right time and place. The glory for our salvation belongs to Jesus, so using it for self-glorifying or coming off as holier than thou would be doing it wrong. On the other hand I see nothing wrong with a Christian feeling assured in salvation, especially when it helps persuade the lost or reassure other believers.

Well said!  

[Not of the World]

11 hours ago, NCAP said:

You have an attitude towards them that is also found in the bible.

Also, He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others (Luke 18:9)

Another poster pondered if, as a former Catholic, I was feeling any guilt about my not adhering to the Church's orthodoxy.  I simply responded that I don't feel any guilt.  I don't "despise others" but I despise spreading and endorsing falsehoods.  

 

[Not of the World]

5 hours ago, Michael37 said:

@Not of the World  has not said anything to warrant the accusation that he trusts in himself for righteousness, quite the opposite here.

I'm a degenerate, broken, sinner who prays and hopes that Jesus will forgive me, save me, and FIX me because he is the only one that can do that for me.  

[Not of the World]

4 hours ago, Riverwalker said:

Not at all

Salvation is nothing we earn....it is a gift, given to all who ask

It is the promise of God that He will never break

I can do nothing to earn it and I can do nothing to lose it

(though it can be given away)  So when we say were are saved...we ARE bragging....on God

How many of those who publicly "brag" to the rest of humanity that they are "saved" will be rebuked by Jesus?  As well, we're supposed to enter Heaven like a wide-eyed small child and not like a returning, conquering, hero.  

Matthew 7:21-23

English Standard Version

I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

 

Matthew 18:3-4

English Standard Version

3 and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.