Shilohsfoal Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, David1701 said: The Jewish believers, in 70 A.D., believed the warnings (in the gospels) and fled to the mountains, escaping the devastations caused by the Roman army. The people hiding from the wrath of God (to no effect) in Revelation are a completely different context. Alot of people such as yourself say the following verse was fulfilled in 70 AD. Luke 21:28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” You wouldn't happen to know the exact day Gods elect were redeemed would you? Do you have an exact date for the day of redemption? Edited November 8, 2022 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Selah7 said: Luke 21:21-23 is not saying the same thing that Revelation 6:12-17 is saying. Luke 21:21-23 is talking about BELIEVERS. Revelation 5:12-17 is talking about NON-BELIEVERS. Selah So you believe the following verse took place in 70 AD. Luke 21:28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” Seeing the 144000 are those that are redeemed, you wouldn't happen to know the exact date of their redemption would you? Jesus said they would see those things in luke 21:21-23 fulfilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,878 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,769 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2022 3 hours ago, David1701 said: The Jewish believers, in 70 A.D., believed the warnings (in the gospels) and fled to the mountains, escaping the devastations caused by the Roman army. The people hiding from the wrath of God (to no effect) in Revelation are a completely different context. This is what we call rightly dividing what we read in the bible, considering the context. The parties or the actors in the context as if we asked to make a play or a film out of the stories we read in the bible and in this particular situation is what we read in the new testament about Jesus preparing his disciples of what is coming ahead of them. Jesus with his warnings to his disciples he tried to reprogram and sober up their minds to what they were thinking because their minds were set in the wrong mode, guided by their desires. Jesus new what they were thinking and he had to endure their erroneous thinking and their desires for earthly glory. He set an example for them and he gave them himself as a model as to what will happen to them from the people to whom they expect to receive glory from, from the Pharisees and the leaders of the people and the Jews. And he kept saying to them that NO SERVANT IS GREATER THAN HIS MASTER, if they have done this to me they will also do this to yourself...they call me names and the time will come that they will call you coursed as they did to me and they will want to kill you erroneously believing that they are doing the will of the Lord. So Jesus kept repeating to them the same warnings to let them know what is going to happen to them, and he gave them instructions what to do...instead of the glory and the honor they were expecting to received from the Pharisees and the leaders and the Jews but not all of them because some they believed and many of them remained secret believers, and they had to because they could influenced the desitions of the Sadhering from within... Jesus gave the warnings to them and he told them repeatedly not to desired to be set as Prince over them and the twelve tribes of Israel, they did not have the twelve tribes at that time... Jesus told them that this will never happen because they plan to do to them was they did to him. Because when they see that they cannot uproot Jesus out of their hearts then they will try to do to them what they did to him " to kill them ", because by that time they were not just followers or just the sheep but they were Shepherds themselves...they were leading the people to Jesus and their motive was to kill the Shepherds so the sheep will be scattered..what they did to Jesus. And Jesus gave them a further warning telling them that when the leaders of the people and the Pharisees observed that the sheep is envolving and became Shepherds they started to go after the sheep and not just the Shepherds...asked Paul who new everything about that, going after the sheep, having be envolved himself from the defender of the Law to being a wolf who seek to devoured the sheep... Jesus told them flee away from them...go to other cities, Jesus needs you alive..The Father needed Jesus dead because that's the only way his light could be offered to all the people in the world...Jesus was different we cannot follow him in that path because we have what he has by believing in him... Jesus gave the warnings to his disciples to sober up their minds to desired the things from above. That was their lot just for them...because later on the persecution stopped in some places and began in others and it has been like that ever since and it will continue to be like that ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah7 Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,610 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 3,182 Days Won: 11 Joined: 05/25/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said: So you believe the following verse took place in 70 AD. Luke 21:28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” Seeing the 144000 are those that are redeemed, you wouldn't happen to know the exact date of their redemption would you? Jesus said they would see those things in luke 21:21-23 fulfilled. No, no no! This is all future. This happens at the 7th trump, maybe the latter part of the 6th? I’ll do some studying. Thx Shiloh. -s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said: This is what we call rightly dividing what we read in the bible, considering the context. The parties or the actors in the context as if we asked to make a play or a film out of the stories we read in the bible and in this particular situation is what we read in the new testament about Jesus preparing his disciples of what is coming ahead of them. Jesus with his warnings to his disciples he tried to reprogram and sober up their minds to what they were thinking because their minds were set in the wrong mode, guided by their desires. Jesus new what they were thinking and he had to endure their erroneous thinking and their desires for earthly glory. He set an example for them and he gave them himself as a model as to what will happen to them from the people to whom they expect to receive glory from, from the Pharisees and the leaders of the people and the Jews. And he kept saying to them that NO SERVANT IS GREATER THAN HIS MASTER, if they have done this to me they will also do this to yourself...they call me names and the time will come that they will call you coursed as they did to me and they will want to kill you erroneously believing that they are doing the will of the Lord. So Jesus kept repeating to them the same warnings to let them know what is going to happen to them, and he gave them instructions what to do...instead of the glory and the honor they were expecting to received from the Pharisees and the leaders and the Jews but not all of them because some they believed and many of them remained secret believers, and they had to because they could influenced the desitions of the Sadhering from within... Jesus gave the warnings to them and he told them repeatedly not to desired to be set as Prince over them and the twelve tribes of Israel, they did not have the twelve tribes at that time... Jesus told them that this will never happen because they plan to do to them was they did to him. Because when they see that they cannot uproot Jesus out of their hearts then they will try to do to them what they did to him " to kill them ", because by that time they were not just followers or just the sheep but they were Shepherds themselves...they were leading the people to Jesus and their motive was to kill the Shepherds so the sheep will be scattered..what they did to Jesus. And Jesus gave them a further warning telling them that when the leaders of the people and the Pharisees observed that the sheep is envolving and became Shepherds they started to go after the sheep and not just the Shepherds...asked Paul who new everything about that, going after the sheep, having be envolved himself from the defender of the Law to being a wolf who seek to devoured the sheep... Jesus told them flee away from them...go to other cities, Jesus needs you alive..The Father needed Jesus dead because that's the only way his light could be offered to all the people in the world...Jesus was different we cannot follow him in that path because we have what he has by believing in him... Jesus gave the warnings to his disciples to sober up their minds to desired the things from above. That was their lot just for them...because later on the persecution stopped in some places and began in others and it has been like that ever since and it will continue to be like that ever since. Seeing that you also seem to believe the day of redemption was in 70 AD, you wouldn't happen to have an exact date this redemption of God's elect took place do you? Luke 21:28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” According to scripture there are 144000 in Israel that are redeemed. I'm just curious as to what date you believe they were redeemed on in 70 AD. Luke 21:28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” Edited November 8, 2022 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.52 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: Alot of people such as yourself say the following verse was fulfilled in 70 AD. Luke 21:28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” You wouldn't happen to know the exact day Gods elect were redeemed would you? Do you have an exact date for the day of redemption? Context, context, context... There are different kinds of redemption. 1) Redemption from sin, Satan and hell, which was accomplished on the cross, and is applied when someone believes in Jesus Christ. 2) The redemption of our mortal bodies, which occurs at the resurrection. 3) In the context of Luke 21:28, what is referred to is redemption from persecution by unbelieving Jews, who were going to be slaughtered by the Roman army. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: Seeing the 144000 are those that are redeemed, you wouldn't happen to know the exact date of their redemption would you? Jesus said they would see those things in luke 21:21-23 fulfilled. Where is scripture did Jesus ever say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, OneLight said: Where is scripture did Jesus ever say that? Revelation 14:3-4 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Revelation 14:3-4 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. I see, you are once again reading into scripture what is not said. Why do you do that? Jesus does not say here that the 144,000 would see those things in Luke 21:21-23 fulfilled, you are adding to scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted November 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, OneLight said: 1 minute ago, OneLight said: I see, you are once again reading into scripture what is not said. Why do you do that? Jesus does not say here that the 144,000 would see those things in Luke 21:21-23 fulfilled, you are adding to scripture. Jesus said when they see these thing, their redemption is near. 144000 are redeemed. You don't pay attention to Christ's words very well. Do you have some sort of learning impairment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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