The_Patriot21 Posted November 29, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 27 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,739 Content Per Day: 2.44 Reputation: 8,553 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Sparks said: The plan is that I will be the one to go home in such a situation. I am pretty well trained to handle such a situation, particularly when I am unarmed. You will notice that police pull their guns a lot and don't necessarily fire. They don't always have a 'draw and destroy' philosophy, though the militarized training since about 2007 has been concerning. If a man ran at you with a knife intending to kill you, but tripped and fell and dropped the knife, and was really hurt curled up in a ball, it's time to reevaluate. Not just kill him. Every situation is different. They have extensive training, bullet proof vests, and often backup. On top of that a lot of common criminals run from cops rather then engage them. So using the cops as your evidence is kind of a non starter. If you feel gutsy enough to hesitate that's you. Statistically it's likely to get you killed, but it's your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyB Posted November 29, 2022 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,628 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 304 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/23/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Not of the World said: Do you believe that you have humbled yourself here? I don't get your point. Do you believe that you have humbled yourself here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyB Posted November 29, 2022 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,628 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 304 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/23/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rick-Parker said: Do you say the same about President Trump? I've seen you say otherwise. Sometimes you won't even say his name, calling him "what's his name". Donald Trump is not the President. He was President once, but no longer, so he doesn't deserve the title in front of his name. Once again where do you live in the Tampa Bay area? I don't want your address. I used to live in Lutz. Edited November 29, 2022 by JimmyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted November 29, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,186 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 2,520 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Online Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, The_Patriot21 said: They have extensive training, bullet proof vests, and often backup. On top of that a lot of common criminals run from cops rather then engage them. So using the cops as your evidence is kind of a non starter. The police have a few months training at the academy. That's not extensive. Some teams might go extensive, but most don't. 1 hour ago, The_Patriot21 said: If you feel gutsy enough to hesitate that's you. Statistically it's likely to get you killed, but it's your choice. Any hesitation would be my confidence in my own abilities. I can afford to wait to the last second before I am forced into taking a life. I have trained a lot; what you might call 'extensive training' for decades. I don't teach it for a living, but I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_abc Posted November 29, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 901 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 543 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/06/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2022 On 11/29/2022 at 1:56 AM, The_Patriot21 said: Your inability to recognize our actual form of government is a sad reflection of our culture, because anymore many people don't understand the differences between a republic and a democracy thanks to our media and the indoctrination our kids receive in our public schools. On 11/29/2022 at 6:10 AM, kwikphilly said: Your right and I said " democracy' myself which was absolutely wrong,- I should have said ," Republic"duh !Gee,pledge allegiance to the flag.... Been reciting it since I was 5!!!! Anyway,had to correct my mistake. Thanks for bringing that up- it's sooooo very important a FACT hi to Pat and kwik Just a small general note. (Off topic ) Whether the Usa is considered a democracy or not.. and even what the definition of a republic is.. might depend on which english language etc a person is using ? (For example UK english) .. Because there are different meanings / definitions of those terms.. Where I live.. the Usa would often / usually be considered as both a democracy and a republic.. i.e. a representative democracy (not a direct democracy).. because you have elections to choose your representatives to govern and a republic because you don't have a monarchy.. (and the meaning of the term republic over here is simply countries which don't have a monarchy etc) Inside the Usa.. you might use different english language definitions.. and therefore possibly define your system of government differently... Sorry just wanted to mention this because the internet is international.. and people from around the world might be reading this website.. I think many people don't realise that there are different definitions used.. Anyways sorry and Thanks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted November 30, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 600 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,395 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,147 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2022 23 minutes ago, just_abc said: hi to Pat and kwik Just a small general note. (Off topic ) Whether the Usa is considered a democracy or not.. and even what the definition of a republic is.. might depend on which english language etc a person is using ? (For example UK english) .. Because there are different meanings / definitions of those terms.. Where I live.. the Usa would often / usually be considered as both a democracy and a republic.. i.e. a representative democracy (not a direct democracy).. because you have elections to choose your representatives to govern and a republic because you don't have a monarchy.. (and the meaning of the term republic over here is simply countries which don't have a monarchy etc) Inside the Usa.. you might use different english language definitions.. and therefore possibly define your system of government differently... Sorry just wanted to mention this because the internet is international.. and people from around the world might be reading this website.. I think many people don't realise that there are different definitions used.. Anyways sorry and Thanks! Technically the USA is a constitutional republic. The law of the land is the constitution and it is carried out by elected people filling positions set by the constitution. Each person who is elected or works for one of the elected persons take an oath to do so by the laws set by the constitution and to uphold that constitution 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted November 30, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 27 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,739 Content Per Day: 2.44 Reputation: 8,553 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted November 30, 2022 5 hours ago, Sparks said: The police have a few months training at the academy. That's not extensive. Some teams might go extensive, but most don't. Any hesitation would be my confidence in my own abilities. I can afford to wait to the last second before I am forced into taking a life. I have trained a lot; what you might call 'extensive training' for decades. I don't teach it for a living, but I could. That's more training then the vast majority of the public, and every cop I know and I know a lot, train regularly. And like I said...bullet proof vest and backup. If I had a partner with a gun watching my back I'd be more likely to hesitate to. so....again non starter. Argument is completely mute. Like I said...if you want to take your chances that's your choice. I see no further point to this discussion as it's obvious neither of us will change the others mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted November 30, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 308 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,152 Content Per Day: 4.58 Reputation: 27,851 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2022 41 minutes ago, just_abc said: hi to Pat and kwik Just a small general note. (Off topic ) Whether the Usa is considered a democracy or not.. and even what the definition of a republic is.. might depend on which english language etc a person is using ? (For example UK english) .. Because there are different meanings / definitions of those terms.. Where I live.. the Usa would often / usually be considered as both a democracy and a republic.. i.e. a representative democracy (not a direct democracy).. because you have elections to choose your representatives to govern and a republic because you don't have a monarchy.. (and the meaning of the term republic over here is simply countries which don't have a monarchy etc) Inside the Usa.. you might use different english language definitions.. and therefore possibly define your system of government differently... Sorry just wanted to mention this because the internet is international.. and people from around the world might be reading this website.. I think many people don't realise that there are different definitions used.. Anyways sorry and Thanks! Hi abc!!! Greetings & Blessings- great to see ya ❤️ other one gave a very clear & concise definition Your input is welcomed,no need to apologize,your explain is certainly helpful for those Intl folks👍 So between what Pat has said,other one & yourself I do hope people have a better understanding.....Thanks for your comments,always appreciated ❤️ With love in Christ, Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted November 30, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 27 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,739 Content Per Day: 2.44 Reputation: 8,553 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted November 30, 2022 45 minutes ago, just_abc said: hi to Pat and kwik Just a small general note. (Off topic ) Whether the Usa is considered a democracy or not.. and even what the definition of a republic is.. might depend on which english language etc a person is using ? (For example UK english) .. Because there are different meanings / definitions of those terms.. Where I live.. the Usa would often / usually be considered as both a democracy and a republic.. i.e. a representative democracy (not a direct democracy).. because you have elections to choose your representatives to govern and a republic because you don't have a monarchy.. (and the meaning of the term republic over here is simply countries which don't have a monarchy etc) Inside the Usa.. you might use different english language definitions.. and therefore possibly define your system of government differently... Sorry just wanted to mention this because the internet is international.. and people from around the world might be reading this website.. I think many people don't realise that there are different definitions used.. Anyways sorry and Thanks! The modern school system has indeed tried to muddy the water by mixing the definitions up. The reason being if no one truly understands what kind of government we have they're less likely to see it disolving into socialism. A democracy and a republic are two completely different forms of government. There's a representative democracy, which is more in tune with what Australia has, but it's still not a true republic. But thank you for pointing out most people don't understand what the definitions are, because they don't, but they should which is why I made the comment I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted November 30, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 308 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,152 Content Per Day: 4.58 Reputation: 27,851 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2022 6 hours ago, Sparks said: The police have a few months training at the academy. That's not extensive. Some teams might go extensive, but most don't. Any hesitation would be my confidence in my own abilities. I can afford to wait to the last second before I am forced into taking a life. I have trained a lot; what you might call 'extensive training' for decades. I don't teach it for a living, but I could. Blessings Sparks Well you really cannot categorize what type of training" the police " have as there is not set curriculum throughout the USA,it varies from State to State,City,County and/or Agency I can't say much about this millennium ( lol) but decades ago after you took an entrance exam if you scored high you are hired immediately ( pending) only upon meeting the physical agility requirements - if you pass that you start the Academy and the training is intense,it is but 6 months but I never knew any fellow officer that did not enroll in the extensive firearm programs that are available to every police officer- no matter your detail.... If you have an exemplary record for 3 yrs you can qualify for mounted unit or motorcycle( and than your weapons training is far & behind- it's superlative training But to my understanding outside the 5 Burroughs was a breeze- city cops train hard Anyway,just thought I'd add that since the discussion was about " cops".... Thanks👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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