Some minor changes in Moderation

[heartwashed3]

4 minutes ago, Roymond said:

Luke 1:35 is in the Creed: "who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary".  That doesn't contradict "begotten of His Father before all worlds" because it's talking about how He came to be human,not how He came to be.

And Mary's genealogy given in Luke shows descent from David, so Jesus was of "the seed of David" through His mother plus legally through Joseph.

 

I believe that Jesus was begotten in the incarnation according to Luke 1:35 (not eternally begotten); and that therefore He was not 1/3 of God, or otherwise a 2nd God, in His pre-incarnate form.  For there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4) who is God (John 4:24).

Yes, according to His Deity Jesus is uncreated; but the creeds do not specify that He was created in His humanity and therefore I believe that they do contradict Romans 1:3 in that they seem to teach that He was entirely uncreated.

The Bible says clearly (Romans 1:3) that He was made according to the flesh.

Edited December 16, 2022 by heartwashed3

[Marathoner]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

We should aim to abide & edify, keeping the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Can I get an Amen!

Amen, my friend. It's what we do!

[heartwashed3]

6 minutes ago, Roymond said:

not how He came to be.

Did Jesus even "come to be"?  Is He not eternally pre-existent?

[Roymond]

26 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Hopefully you have received Christ and believe in His Name so as to be born of the Will of God. I am convinced that's what matters more than denominational affiliation or persuasion.

Joh 1:10-14  He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.  (11)  He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.  (12)  But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:  (13)  who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.  (14)  And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
 

That was a section we had to memorize for Greek class somewhere in third year.  And our Hebrew professor turned verse 14 into Hebrew; sadly I no longer have that in memory.

I received Christ in my Baptism at age 18, which I celebrate (instead of my birthday) every October.

[Roymond]

11 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Welcome to Worthy Roymond.  Just a heads up ... You probably haven't had time to look around the site much, but there is a video forum for videos.  That forum is the only place where videos should be embedded.  Once the video is in the proper forum, and approved, you can then link to it from other threads.  I wouldn't be surprised if your video from the post above is deleted soon.

Oops.  Someone asked for an "Amen!" so I linked to a choral one.  I love answering in song when possible.  I didn't catch whether I can just make it a link and not embedded?

[missmuffet]

49 minutes ago, Roymond said:

I haven't seen the question before.

Technically I'm evangelical orthodox catholic (but nothing to do with the denomination with that name).  Think partway between Catholic, Lutheran, and Orthodox.

Thank you for answering my question 

[Michael37]

1 minute ago, Roymond said:

Oops.  Someone asked for an "Amen!" so I linked to a choral one.  I love answering in song when possible.  I didn't catch whether I can just make it a link and not embedded?

Some links embed automatically. Best just to post a polite memo that a video has been submitted in the Video Section, and we wait for it to be approved.

[Roymond]

9 minutes ago, heartwashed3 said:

I believe that Jesus was begotten in the incarnation according to Luke 1:35 (not eternally begotten); and that therefore He was not 1/3 of God, or otherwise a 2nd God, in His pre-incarnate form.  For there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4) who is God (John 4:24).

Yes, according to His Deity Jesus is uncreated; but the creeds do not specify that He was created in His humanity and therefore I believe that they do contradict Romans 1:3 in that they seem to teach that He was entirely uncreated.

The Bible says clearly (Romans 1:3) that He was made according to the flesh.

The site's statement of faith says:

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We believe in the triunity of God. We believe that God is eternally One, and also eternally the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit — the three being distinct, but not separate. Each Person of the Godhead coexists from everlasting to everlasting.

Your statement appears to disagree with that.  It also seems to disagree with this:

In the beginning was the Word,

and the Word was with God,

and the Word was God.

He was with God in the beginning.

All things were created through Him,

and apart from Him not one thing was created

that has been created.

The scripture is clear that the Word is God, and that the Word became flesh, and that the Word made flesh is Jesus. 

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the creeds do not specify that He was created in His humanity and therefore I believe that they do contradict Romans 1:3 in that they seem to teach that He was entirely uncreated.

How can you get that from the Creed?  It plainly says, "Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary."

You're struggling over ground that it took the church some two centuries to figure out -- you should read how the church Fathers hashed it out.  Please do, and get it straight, because you're treading on dangerous ground.

[heartwashed3]

1 minute ago, Roymond said:

How can you get that from the Creed?  It plainly says, "Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary."

You're struggling over ground that it took the church some two centuries to figure out -- you should read how the church Fathers hashed it out.  Please do, and get it straight, because you're treading on dangerous ground.

It is my estimation that the creeds state somewhere in them that the Son is entirely uncreated...if you look through the statements in the creeds I believe you will find that in them.

[Roymond]

20 minutes ago, heartwashed3 said:

Did Jesus even "come to be"?  Is He not eternally pre-existent?

Your statements strongly implied that Jesus had no pre-existence.