Pre-Adamic World: Fact or Fiction

[BeyondET]

2 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I'm with @HAZARD on this. I believe there was two different floods, Noah's being the latest.

Could be is a interesting consideration. Earth in the beginning in water so.

Man came from all the stuff in dirt until the body of men could behold such a spirit.

Edited January 3, 2023 by BeyondET

[Selah7]

I believe there were two floods, one much more devastating.

Let’s read again Genesis 1:2:

The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

- Genesis 1:2 (NKJV)

The word “was” in Hebrew is “hayah,” … 

◄ 1961. hayah ►

Strong's Concordance hayah: to fall out, come to pass, become, be Original Word: הָיָה Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: hayah Phonetic Spelling: (haw-yaw) Definition: to fall out, come to pass, become, be NAS Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin a prim. root Definition to fall out, come to pass, become, be

Let’s consider that the word “was” in the context of verse 2 means “became” — The earth became void and dark and empty and flooded.

2 Peter 3:6 says it like this:

“For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.”

I don’t believe Peter is talking about Noah’s flood.  Why?  because all the world did not perish in Noah’s flood.  There were eight people still alive after that flood.  No, there was a catastrophic flood before Noah’s flood.

[BeyondET]

3 hours ago, Selah7 said:

I believe there were two floods, one much more devastating.

Let’s read again Genesis 1:2:

The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

- Genesis 1:2 (NKJV)

The word “was” in Hebrew is “hayah,” … 

◄ 1961. hayah ►

Strong's Concordance hayah: to fall out, come to pass, become, be Original Word: הָיָה Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: hayah Phonetic Spelling: (haw-yaw) Definition: to fall out, come to pass, become, be NAS Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin a prim. root Definition to fall out, come to pass, become, be

Let’s consider that the word “was” in the context of verse 2 means “became” — The earth became void and dark and empty and flooded.

2 Peter 3:6 says it like this:

“For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.”

I don’t believe Peter is talking about Noah’s flood.  Why?  because all the world did not perish in Noah’s flood.  There were eight people still alive after that flood.  No, there was a catastrophic flood before Noah’s flood.

Actually there is 4 possible meanings for hayah. One being is be. I like the first one, to fall out. The creation of the solar system from a nebula cloud in the galaxy.

Edited January 3, 2023 by BeyondET

[The Barbarian]

On 1/1/2023 at 4:41 PM, Alive said:

Well done, brother.

Indeed.   What makes us his people is not our opinion of creation.

[Retrobyter]

7 hours ago, Selah7 said:

I believe there were two floods, one much more devastating.

Let’s read again Genesis 1:2:

The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

- Genesis 1:2 (NKJV)

The word “was” in Hebrew is “hayah,” … 

◄ 1961. hayah ►

Strong's Concordance hayah: to fall out, come to pass, become, be Original Word: הָיָה Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: hayah Phonetic Spelling: (haw-yaw) Definition: to fall out, come to pass, become, be NAS Exhaustive Concordance Word Origin a prim. root Definition to fall out, come to pass, become, be

Let’s consider that the word “was” in the context of verse 2 means “became” — The earth became void and dark and empty and flooded.

2 Peter 3:6 says it like this:

“For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.”

I don’t believe Peter is talking about Noah’s flood.  Why?  because all the world did not perish in Noah’s flood.  There were eight people still alive after that flood.  No, there was a catastrophic flood before Noah’s flood.

Shalom, Selah7.

Actually, the Scriptures never say that He created it perfect before Genesis 1:2! Please remember that Hebrew literature will often begin with a summation of what is to follow before the author reveals the details.

Genesis 1:1 is such a summation. We can know this because the "heaven" (shaamaayim) is created on Day 2 and the "earth" (erets) is created on Day 3!

Consider:

Genesis 1:6-13 (KJV)

6 And God said,

"Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament "Heaven" (shaamaayim = "skies," a dual word). And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said,

"Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear":

and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land "Earth" (erets = "land; ground," a singular word); and the gathering together of the waters called he "Seas" (yammiym = "seas," a plural word): and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said,

"Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth":

and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it wasgood. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Therefore, Genesis 1:1 DID NOT COME BEFORE Genesis 1:2!

Genesis chapters 1 and 2 are accounts of God's Creation of our BIOSPHERE! It's not really that specific about beyond the surface and sky of this home in which we were created.

In 2 Peter 3:6, Peter is talking about the earth before Noach's Flood in Genesis 6-9. 

You can see it in what was quoted above:

The firmament called "shaamaayim," the "skies," were put between the waters above the firmament and the waters below the firmament. Thus, the skies were within the waters above, and out of the waters below. The "erets," the "land," was raised out of the waters below in order to separate it from the waters. Thus, the "land," too, was standing out of the waters, and yet was still within the waters above.

This is how the First Earth and Sky were made, and from Adam to Noach, they lived in this habitat.

Then, the second part of the verse, "by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water," talks about Noach's Flood itself.

The world in which we now live, Peter called, "the heavens (hoi ouranoi = 'the skies') and the earth (hee gee = 'the earth; land') which are now."

Hope this helps.

[Guest]

17 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Could be is a interesting consideration. Earth in the beginning in water so.

Man came from all the stuff in dirt until the body of men could behold such a spirit.

(Genesis 1:1)  In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth—

(Genesis 1:2)  the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters, [YLT]

Young's Literal Translation has an interesting take on the first two verses of Genesis. The Torah has a much different take but it is also interesting.

(Genesis 1:1)  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

(Genesis 1:2)  Now the earth was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep. The Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. [AESV Torah]

 

[BeyondET]

6 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

(Genesis 1:1)  In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth—

(Genesis 1:2)  the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters, [YLT]

Young's Literal Translation has an interesting take on the first two verses of Genesis. The Torah has a much different take but it is also interesting.

(Genesis 1:1)  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

(Genesis 1:2)  Now the earth was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep. The Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. [AESV Torah]

 

Well the fluttering part got me to giggle 😃 , yea they are different 

Edited January 4, 2023 by BeyondET

[Guest]

On 1/2/2023 at 3:23 PM, farouk said:

Well.....the book of Enoch is Deuterocanonical........(Apocryphal)..

Enoch was never Deuterocanonical.

The Book of Enoch (also 1 Enoch; Hebrew: סֵפֶר חֲנוֹךְ, Sēfer Ḥănōḵ; Ge'ez: መጽሐፈ ሄኖክ, Maṣḥafa Hēnok) is an ancient Hebrew apocalyptic religious text, ascribed by tradition to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah. Enoch contains unique material on the origins of demons and Nephilim, why some angels fell from heaven, an explanation of why the Genesis flood was morally necessary, and prophetic exposition of the thousand-year reign of the Messiah. Three books are traditionally attributed to Enoch, including the distinct works 2 Enoch and 3 Enoch, although none of the three books are considered canonical scripture by the majority of Jewish or Christian bodies.

The older sections I Enoch (mainly in the Book of the Watchers) of the text are estimated to date from about 300–200 BC, and the latest part (Book of Parables) probably to 100 BC. [Wikipedia]

Enoch was recognized by some Christian groups as part of their Canon of Scripture. [See
Book of Enoch for more information.]

[Guest]

On 1/2/2023 at 8:21 PM, BeyondET said:

I'm thinking the flood great tribulation in that time, giants wiped out, war in heaven some angels placed in chains. rest of mankind caught in the flood except Noah. Enoch went to son of Lamech who spoke to Noah about the tribulation.

The Enoch mentioned in Genesis may be a different Enoch. Some speculate, and I agree, that the three books of Enoch were recorded in the inter-testimonial period between the Old Testament and the birth of the Messiah. Much of the Old Testament is passed down orally, so it's impossible to point to one writer. Moses is the author of the Pentateuch but where are the original books?

I have a different understanding of the floods which closely follows @HAZARD's detailed posts.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, BeyondET said:

Well the fluttering part got me to giggle 😃 , yea they are different 

Hover versus flutter? Hmm.

Edited January 4, 2023 by Saved.One.by.Grace