Dead Orthodoxy Posted February 1, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 134 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/22/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 1, 2023 49 minutes ago, coheir said: God said we were born into sin (surrounded) NOT born sinners. Where does God say we are "surrounded" by sin. Surrounded by sin is a theological innovation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Orthodoxy Posted February 1, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 134 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/22/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 1, 2023 Where does sin come from for those that are born before the innovative doctrine of the Age of Accountability? Is it imputed (born with and internal) or or imitated (external). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausie 52 Posted February 1, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 35 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 24 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/12/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, coheir said: Merriam-Webster is where it says in and into means surrounded by something. Born in, Born into "sin" imo it does not mean born a sinner. You obviously have never had children. You don't have to teach them to do bad things, it comes naturally. We inherit a sinful nature from Adam as a result of the Fall (see Rom 5). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted February 1, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.94 Reputation: 7,798 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 1, 2023 To answer the OP. We are born mortal, which we inherit. We are not born with "original sin" that is an Augustinian and Catholic travesty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Orthodoxy Posted February 1, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 134 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/22/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 1, 2023 30 minutes ago, Justin Adams said: To answer the OP. We are born mortal, which we inherit. We are not born with "original sin" that is an Augustinian and Catholic travesty. You are NOT answering my question. When we FIRST sin, where does that first sin come from? Does it come from imitation of others (from the environment) or does it come from an internal desire to sin (something we inherit)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 1, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,984 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 1, 2023 What Eve and Adam brought into the world wasn't sin itself. It was there before eating of the fruit... it was the knowledge of sin from the eating that made Adam and Eve accountable. That knowledge was passed down throughout history. no human is capable of living the life demanded by the Father, and in the end I think we would have to condemn ourselves come judgement day... It is only the covering of the righteousness of Jesus that allows us to be his subjects and attain eternal life through Him. Maybe when we are resurrected or transformed things might be different, but in this physical world we by ourselves just are not capable by ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted February 1, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,052 Content Per Day: 1.60 Reputation: 598 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted February 1, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 5:20 AM, R. Hartono said: Isn't God omnipotent ? Why did He keep creating billions of sinful souls under bondage of sins ? Why cant God create these souls sinless like Adam ? If He still create those souls of birthed babies. Just asking. I honestly don't know if souls are sinful or if its just physical bodies that are sinful. I do know that the body is sinful. Paul states that sin is passed down through the human race from Adam to all mankind through the man. This is why Jesus was able to be born without sin. He had no human father. Because of the curse the curse, God can't make people born into it perfect without a transformation ( which happens at salvation ). So yes, we are born into sin and born into the bondage of sin ( through no fault of our own ). This is called original sin. However, we still choose to sin and are accountable for the choices we choose to make. I don't know if that answers the question or creates more confusion. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 1, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,984 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 1, 2023 On 1/30/2023 at 11:41 PM, Ausie 52 said: I have to agree. Without a scriptural doctrine of sin, we can not have a clear and scriptural doctrine of salvation. What scriptural doctrine of sin did Adam and Eve have when they discovered they were naked and covered themselves up... Did they have a Bible I haven't heard about yet??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 1, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,984 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Justin Adams said: To answer the OP. We are born mortal, which we inherit. We are not born with "original sin" that is an Augustinian and Catholic travesty. I would agree, however we are born with the ability to know good and evil, right from wrong just as Adam and Eve had after eating of the fruit. My kids knew when they had done something they shouldn't have even when they were babies. What made it sin was that they did it anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Orthodoxy Posted February 1, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 134 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/22/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted February 1, 2023 29 minutes ago, other one said: it was the knowledge of sin from the eating that made Adam and Eve accountable. That knowledge was passed down throughout history. So as you put it "was passed down throughout history." How was that knowledge passed down? Internally? If so, sin is inherited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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