If God created the souls of birthed babies, why they are under the bondage of sins ?

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, chesed said:

Actually it's talking about Christ's ongoing Priesthood.

We do not see anything stated in the book of Revelation about that...

We cannot say that Jesus as a High Preist is waiting for someone to believe and do what the High Priest did to affect the forgiveness of his sins and ours when we sin..

No disciple of Jesus spoke like that and not Paul...

Perhaps the point to be made is that there is no use for Priests and for a High Priest anymore...

We have the New Priesthood in place, the Royal Priesthood...the Royal Priests...the Royal Priests are like the High Priests..the preach the Gospel of forgiveness of sins in the blood of Jesus Christ. 

It seeks to politely say that the Aaronic Priesthood has fulfilled its destiny, it has put the Lord of Glory to the Cross. The Bronze Serpent has been lifted up...the Priests put Jesus to death and the need for sacrifices there is no more...They lifted up the Bronze Serpent they could not saved the people no matter what...no matter how many sacrifices they would offer...what their sacrifices could not do the Lamb of God did it...He gave Life to the people...Death stopped right there for them....Death could not reigned over them...they were like the bronze Serpent they cannot be bitten up..

 

[Roymond]

2 hours ago, chesed said:

Right, Church authority has nothing to do with the greater authority of Scripture.

Church authority has nothing to do with it:  it has to do with X knowing what XX has said especially when X keeps meticulous records.

2 hours ago, chesed said:

Sure, it involves being all things to all people that you may gain them into your 'Church'.

That doesn't describe Rome very well -- it's pretty picky about what "all things" it embraces.

[Roymond]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Perhaps the point to be made is that there is no use for Priests and for a High Priest anymore...

We have the New Priesthood in place, the Royal Priesthood...the Royal Priests...the Royal Priests are like the High Priests..the preach the Gospel of forgiveness of sins in the blood of Jesus Christ. 

That's not a "New Priesthood"; Peter is quoting the Old Testament -- Israel was just as much a royal priesthood.

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

It seeks to politely say that the Aaronic Priesthood has fulfilled its destiny, it has put the Lord of Glory to the Cross. The Bronze Serpent has been lifted up...the Priests put Jesus to death and the need for sacrifices there is no more...

Priests put Jesus to death?  Not really, Roman soldiers did that, the priests just schemed to make it happen.  Though you're correct; that ended the point of the Aaronic priesthood... though not totally and not immediately; that priesthood continued to function at putting aside sins and portraying Jesus for another forty years.

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

They lifted up the Bronze Serpent they could not saved the people no matter what...no matter how many sacrifices they would offer...what their sacrifices could not do the Lamb of God did it...He gave Life to the people...Death stopped right there for them....Death could not reigned over them...they were like the bronze Serpent they cannot be bitten up..

 

[chesed]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Perhaps the point to be made is that there is no use for Priests and for a High Priest anymore...

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Hebrews 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Edited March 11, 2023 by chesed

[chesed]

25 minutes ago, Roymond said:

Church authority has nothing to do with it:  it has to do with X knowing what XX has said especially when X keeps meticulous records.

So, who or what is X and/or XX in this case?

27 minutes ago, Roymond said:

That doesn't describe Rome very well -- it's pretty picky about what "all things" it embraces.

She has changed considerably over the centuries...

https://www.hprweb.com/2014/07/catholic-ecumenism-towards-an-integration-of-faith-hope-and-charity/#:~:text=The purpose of this one,giving praise to the Father.

[Roymond]

23 hours ago, chesed said:

So, who or what is X and/or XX in this case?

She has changed considerably over the centuries...

https://www.hprweb.com/2014/07/catholic-ecumenism-towards-an-integration-of-faith-hope-and-charity/#:~:text=The purpose of this one,giving praise to the Father.

Not really.  From that article:

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Concretely, Catholic ecumenism has as its goal nothing short of incorporating all non-Catholic Christian churches and ecclesial communions into the Catholic Church. 4 This incorporation will be realized by confession of the same faith, acceptance of all the sacraments, and communion with the Catholic hierarchy under the Pope as head.

Reading through that and seeing all the standard phrases it's obvious that what Rome considers ecumenism is for everyone else to adopt Roman Catholic doctrine including the supremacy and infallibility of the pope, including the vow of obedience to the pope.   If you know the 'language' it's written in, they're saying that only people ordained by bishops chosen by the pope are actually pastors or ministers (and for unity they all have to be re-educated and re-ordained incouding the oath of obedience to the pope), that the only thing to be discussed is how other churches are going to adopt Roman Catholic doctrine completely, that unity is made by everyone accepting that the Roman Catholic Church is the only actual church and the rest are just imitations . . . .

This is telling:

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Many well-intentioned ecumenists have lost sight of the uncompromising character of Catholic faith. Against this temptation, one must hold fast: There can be no bending whatsoever in the truths of the faith

By "the truths of the faith" Roman Catholics mean every doctrinal decision of every council they've ever held.  That means they have no intention of changing to meet other Christians even 1% of the way because by their definition of "Catholic Church" that church is always right.

It's actually amusing that they mention Luther and Calvin with a tone one might use with a sixth-grader who has done well on a small quiz; they go right back to asserting that the only real church is the one made up of bishops who are totally obedient to the pope, equating the church Jesus founded with the visible institution centered in Rome.  They even bring up "infused grace", a total misunderstanding of scripture that they're stuck with because they set Aristotle up as the master over all theology and scripture itself. 

There's no aim for common ground, no room for compromise, no possibility of admitting Rome has gone astray in that document.  It's little more than a pep talk for enthusiastic Roman Catholics to convince all their friends and neighbors to become Roman Catholic through the mechanism of every congregation one by one deciding to submit to the pope.

[Roymond]

23 hours ago, chesed said:

So, who or what is X and/or XX in this case?

 

XX is a typo.

X in general is any institution with official statements about things.  In specific it;s the Roman Catholic Church.  It could be the Audubon Society or the Future Farmers of America:  if you want to know what they believe, they're the ones to ask.

Edited March 12, 2023 by Roymond