Biblical Genetics

[Mr. M]

1 Peter 1:22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit

in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 

23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God

which lives and abides forever.

In this passage, Peter speaks of the "corruptible seed". Sounds like genetic DNA to me.

What say you?

What a sense of relief I sense in the Gay Christian community that there are genetic markers for

same sex orientation, and they are not in sin. Surely it is not possible that God would take something

that man "discovered", and  use it to punish sin, even to the result that it is passed down genetically

from parents to children.

Exodus 34:7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, 

by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and

the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.

[teddyv]

I strongly doubt that Peter is talking about DNA. DNA is not spiritual. It is molecular material.

[Mr. M]

9 minutes ago, teddyv said:

I strongly doubt that Peter is talking about DNA. DNA is not spiritual. It is molecular material.

Read it again. The spiritual, by the word of God, is the incorruptible, the corruptible seed where sin abides

is according to the NT, in the flesh. Feel free to disagree, and thanks for responding all the same. Just

trying to stir up some discussion about what the Bible considers sin, and modern science considers genetic.

Not trying to bend anyone to my view, which is why I proposed the question, "what do you think"?

Thanks again for sharing yours.

[Jayne]

30 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

In this passage, Peter speaks of the "corruptible seed". Sounds like genetic DNA to me.

What say you?

What say I?  

I say this is NOTHING about DNA or saying that gay people get a free pass and as you say, "not in sin".

The corruptible seed is what we ALL have.  Born from two fleshly parents.  We are born "in the flesh".  We must be born again and saved from that sinful nature.

Ergo, what Peter says, is this.  It's self-explanatory.  1 Peter 1:23 - "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

He says that being born again is not from the flesh.  But of the Word of God and that is incorruptible.

Remember Nicodemus who asked about being born again?  He said, "Who can enter his mother's womb a second time?"  Well, you can't.

[1]  Born the first time:  corruptible, sinners, a body that will wear out and rot.

[2]  Born AGAIN by the Word of God:  INcorruptible, saved for eternity.

How do you get that homosexuals are not sinners out of this?

 

[teddyv]

15 minutes ago, Jayne said:

How do you get that homosexuals are not sinners out of this?

I don't think you meant to imply this, but a same-sex attracted person who does not act on those attractions is not in sin.

[Mr. M]

18 minutes ago, Jayne said:

[1]  Born the first time:  corruptible, sinners, a body that will wear out and rot.

So as a body wears out, does it or does it not incur genetic damage that can be passed on to an offspring?

How do you separate corruptible from damaged DNA that allows disease to be passed on genetically?

How can you say that genetic disease has nothing to do with sin, if the damage is being done, say by

alcoholism or other excesses of the flesh. Do you think alcoholism is a disease, or sinful lust?

22 minutes ago, Jayne said:

How do you get that homosexuals are not sinners out of this?

I personally do not, I was only conveying a common worldly position on the matter. I was

as Paul liked to say, speaking as a fool, for the sake of making a point.

What do I think personally? All unrighteousness is sin 1 John 5:17

[Mr. M]

9 minutes ago, teddyv said:

I don't think you meant to imply this, but a same-sex attracted person who does not act on those attractions is not in sin.

I agree, but they surely should desire deliverance from those so called "tendencies", if a Christian.

2 Corinthians 10:5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself

against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 

6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

[Jayne]

10 hours ago, Mr. M said:

So as a body wears out, does it or does it not incur genetic damage that can be passed on to an offspring?

How do you separate corruptible from damaged DNA that allows disease to be passed on genetically?

How do I separate "corruptible" from "damaged DNA"?

Because that is not what Paul is talking about in that verse.   He is not referring to one's DNA.  Corruptible means born of the flesh - sinners.

[Mr. M]

6 minutes ago, Jayne said:

Corruptible means born of the flesh - sinners.

Not the point to ask if Peter (not Paul) was talking about DNA. The point is that if we

live in corruptible flesh, we now know that includes our God designed genetic material

which is damaged, mutates and corrupts or bodies. We also now know that through genetics

we pass that damage to offspring. Do you think God is aware of this issue? I think so. That is

the point of the thread. Peter may not of known about DNA, but guess what, he was speaking

by the Holy Spirit, who speaks of a corruptible seed, especially in Paul's writings. [G4690] sperma

Are you starting to get what I am saying? If not, feel free to move on, your tone is a bit annoying.

[Jayne]

I'll move on.  I'll just say that YOU used Peter's verse to claim DNA and now you say no need to talk about it.

If you find me annoying, I am grieved over that.  Good day.