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7 minutes ago, abcdef said:

You are thinking along the 7 year pretrib timeline, when it is centuries and not just a few years that the beast has domination over the children of Israel.

I think if you look at the 'spirits' sent out on the horses, first four seals, you will see what you think of as the 'beast'.  

The beast has been rising up but NOT in a manner that is seen by the rest of the world.  All has been working but UNDERGROUND.

We WILL SEE it rise up AT THE END because at the end BECAUSE IT WILL NO LONGER WANT TO BE HIDDEN.  It will come into power.  Not a 'POWER' we will be guessing at, but one that is in our face and ruling the world.  ALMOST.  And when it is ALMOST fully known and seen and ruling THEN the deadly wound will take place to a CRITICAL aspect of it.  THAT is when Satan arrives with the fallen angels.  WITH LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS. Things no one has ever SEEN take place.  Things that will WOW the whole world.  

EVERYONE WILL KNOW there is a supernatural being and beings running things.  Not MEN.  


 


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5 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Where does it say what amount of time is necessary for the healing? Why must it be a short time?

Because if it isn't THEN the whole world dissolves into a chaos that would be almost impossible to recoup from.  A DEADLY WOUND in the one world government means.....

Lets just SAY AS AN EXAMPLE ONLY, the 'wound' came as to the satellites orbiting the earth.  No phones, no gas, no banking, no food, no tv, NO COMMUNICATIONs ect.  

How long do you suppose BEFORE mankind turned on each other?  DEADLY is the key to the amount of time possible to the healing.  In MY OPINION.  If you have others, please share.  


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11 minutes ago, abcdef said:

This is a misconception of pretrib.

I think THAT is causing GODS TRUTH to remain hidden.  YOU KEEP saying it has to do with pre trib and I am telling you I DON'T believe anything about pre trib (except that its teachings make it very hard to see what is real from what isn't and causes lots of people to not believe things they should) so nothing I put forth results from any influence from it

 

14 minutes ago, abcdef said:

The 3 1/2 times, 42 months, and 1260 days in the Rev are centuries and not 3 1/2 years

The PROBLEM with that is NOT taking into consideration the PROPHECY of LEV 26, and instead trying to figure out things in other ways that could not be. 

NOTHING, once Christ was crucified and the King and Kingdom proclaimed rejected, could come to the point of being 'fulfilled' until AFTER that, as only acceptance of that Kingdom would have changed it.  BUT it didn't so what WAS told would happen STILL HAD to happen.  

BUT the fulfillment of that is WHAT BEGAN the end times.  Simple as that


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20 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

THAT is when Satan arrives with the fallen angels.  WITH LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS. Things no one has ever SEEN take place.  Things that will WOW the whole world.  

EVERYONE WILL KNOW there is a supernatural being and beings running things.  Not MEN.  

 

Your claims are Sci-Fi make believe IMHO

God's words show clearly how (The Beast) is revealed and takes his power, the false prophet stands before him in false miracles, calling fire down from heaven, satellites with lazers who knows, but this will be the deception used to get the world to take the mark and worship the image, before your eyes!

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

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2 hours ago, abcdef said:

Jerusalem is falling, falling,

Jesus is calling, calling,

Into the Ark, Into the Ark,

Get into the Ark of Jesus.

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Are you watching what is happening between Israel and Iran?

Jerusalem will soon fall to Iran and it's allies.

When Jerusalem falls, 3 1/2 days later, Jesus will come for the gospel kingdom, the resur/rapt will happen and then all human life on this planet will end in fire.

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Rev 11 describes this happening.

The 2 witnesses are the faithful Christian children of Israel who hold the scriptures, the Law and the Prophets.

John 5:39, The witnesses are the scriptures, and it is faithful Christian Israel that witnesses that the scriptures are true, and that Jesus is the Son of God.

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The scroll is sweet and bitter, Rev 10:8-11.

Written in the 1st century, it says that Jerusalem will be restored to Israel, sweet,

But then Jerusalem will fall to the kings of the east, who is Iran, bitter.

The result is the end of Israel. That is why Jesus ends all human life on this planet.

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I can guess what souls will think about this.

It can't happen. 

But it is happening in front of us.

The War of Armageddon is already happening.

The Battle of Armageddon is the Last major battle. Israel will lose and Jerusalem will fall.

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The armies of the 6th trumpet and the 6th vial already have been marching towards Jerusalem for years.

They have been increasing in power and numbers.

The war has been increasing in intensity and now is in the final stages, it appears.

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Brothers and sisters, get ready.

Jerusalem is going to fall,

Then Jesus is coming for us.

Are you being serious or are you joking to see what kinds of reactions you'll get from people? Your post made no sense. I've read the book of Revelation for over 20 years and you seemed to try to connect random prophecies together to create some new teaching. 


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20 minutes ago, abcdef said:

It isn't the planet, it is the whole world of the children of Israel.

The context center of the Rev and the Bible is the children of Israel and not the gentile planet of earth. 

The center of the scriptures is the children of Israel. We should not expand the center to be about the gentile nations in the Rev

This is what happens when WE SKIP THE SCHOOLMASTER and go to the end of the story.  WITHOUT a solid foundation in the beginning, we basically remain clueless as to the FACTS we are living THAT CAN'T BE CHANGED and are rendered to the place of guessing at best.  Sorry to be so straightforward but it is GODS TRUTH we are discussing and teaching false doctrines truly do have consequences. 

I am not saying the past isn't a TYPE from which can we learn and that can give us eyes to see what is coming, just saying what is written about the end, HAS AN END and if the end came as you say it did then the END that followed that end also would have come.  

Here is the REAL problem with that theory.  SATAN and the ANGELS would have been cast from heaven.  WHAT happens when ANGELS marry humans?

REALLY really NOTICEABLE and noticeably evil 'beings' are born.  HENCE there is NO WAY possible that that has taken place. 

 


 


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19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

The two witnesses SEND PLAGUES upon the earth and cause it to not rain.  TELL ME who WERE THESE TWO?

The 2 witnesses are the faithful Christian children of Israel who were scattered and wandered in the gentile nations after 70 AD, in sackcloth, mourning for Jerusalem, until they returned to restore Jerusalem in 1967. The 2 witnesses are in Jerusalem, witnessing now.

The 2 witnesses are the scriptures that bear witness of Jesus, John 5:39.

They are not 2 people.

The plagues are centered around the scriptures and eternal life.

Withholding the scriptures, or diminishing their effect by attacking God's people, withdraws God's living waters of blessings of eternal life. (There shall be showers of blessings)

The fire that comes out of their mouths is the judgment of God proclaimed against sin by Israel and those who attack the children of Israel.

Zech 4:6 and Zech 4:14, show that the 2 witnesses are the Word of the Lord scriptures (v 4), the Law and the Prophets. 

 

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

WHEN were these 2 KILLED,

After the battle of Armageddon, which has now begun, they will be killed when Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies.

 

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  What street did their bodies lay in?

The children of Israel will lay in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days until the resur/rapt.

 

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  Who was there when the heaven opened up and WATCHED them rise up to heaven?

The military and leaders of Iran and it's allies will see them stand and rise up to heaven at the resur/rapt.

This will happens very soon now.

 

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  WHO HEARD the voice of GOD calling them up? 

We will hear His voice and will be caught up with them.

Then the murderers of Israel will give glory to God, but it will be to late, as the door to salvation will be shut.

 

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

 These are the DETAILS that separate the facts from fiction.  IF you can't accommodate ALL the details then the present beliefs need to be adjusted until they all PERFECTLY do fit. 

My sister, I can give you the details, but please be patient.

First, understand, that the timelines are very different from the popular pretrib teachings.

The timelines are centuries long, as shown by the statue in Dan. 2.

 

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

  The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 


What is written, is what is meant. PURIFIED 7 TIMES meaning  we don't get to mess with them

You will understand if you will continue to ask questions. 


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2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Yea, but FOR US, we wait for the beast to rise up, the deadly wound that gets healed, the two witnesses, the image set up, the falling away, the mark to buy and sell, the two witnesses killed....SO till then...it's just life

God's Divine Protection Of The Church During The Tribulation

The Two Witnesses Will Dominate The Entire Tribulation, Something Many Disregard As Non-Existent

Try Reading Exodus And The Plagues Upon Pharaoh And Egypt, It's Going To Be A Complete Replay

God's Divine Protection, "Open Your Ears"

(Revelation) 13:9-10KJV

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

God's Divine Protection During The Final Hour Of Earth's Temptation, Just Like The Passover In Egypt, "Open Your Ears"

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

The Great Trib Will Be Upon The Antichrist And Wicked, The Church Is Protected, Dont Be Deceived

There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)

The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected

The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees

All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30

Ephesians 1:13KJV

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal Will Be Tormented, The Sealed Church Is Protected

Revelation 9:3-6KJV

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.


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Posted
25 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Your claims are Sci-Fi make believe IMHO

God's words show clearly how (The Beast) is revealed and takes his power, the false prophet stands before him in false miracles, calling fire down from heaven, satellites with lazers who knows, but this will be the deception used to get the world to take the mark and worship the image, before your eyes!

Basically what I said in different words, isn't it?  

MY WORDS
We WILL SEE it rise up AT THE END because at the end BECAUSE IT WILL NO LONGER WANT TO BE HIDDEN".

YOUR WORDS
God's words show clearly how (The Beast) is revealed and takes his power,




MY WORDS
It will come into power.  Not a 'POWER' we will be guessing at, but one that is in our face and ruling the world.  ALMOST.  And when it is ALMOST fully known and seen and ruling THEN the deadly wound will take place to a CRITICAL aspect of it.  THAT is when Satan arrives with the fallen angels.  WITH LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS.

YOUR WORDS
the false prophet stands before him in false miracles, calling fire down from heaven, 



MY WORDS
Things no one has ever SEEN take place.  Things that will WOW the whole world".  

YOUR WORDS
 but this will be the deception used to get the world to take the mark and worship the image, before your eyes!


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8 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Basically what I said in different words, isn't it?  

MY WORDS
We WILL SEE it rise up AT THE END because at the end BECAUSE IT WILL NO LONGER WANT TO BE HIDDEN".

YOUR WORDS
God's words show clearly how (The Beast) is revealed and takes his power,




MY WORDS
It will come into power.  Not a 'POWER' we will be guessing at, but one that is in our face and ruling the world.  ALMOST.  And when it is ALMOST fully known and seen and ruling THEN the deadly wound will take place to a CRITICAL aspect of it.  THAT is when Satan arrives with the fallen angels.  WITH LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS.

YOUR WORDS
the false prophet stands before him in false miracles, calling fire down from heaven, 



MY WORDS
Things no one has ever SEEN take place.  Things that will WOW the whole world".  

YOUR WORDS
 but this will be the deception used to get the world to take the mark and worship the image, before your eyes!

My intent was to make it clear, the "WOW" is fully explained in scripture

I will retract the words Sci-Fi with my apology

You suggest Satan arrives with his angels to start this deception, suggesting Satan is cast out of heaven in a future event?

If true I Disagree, satan was cast out of heaven long ago, and Revelation 12 is nothing more than a "Recap" of the event

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