A Different Report on the `Asbury Revival.`

[Marilyn C]

 

[Marilyn C]

I listened to the speaker and thought he had some valid points. There are other videos also that are pointing out dangers ahead for what is happening.

[existential mabel]

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1 Cor 6:9-10 KJB

⁹ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

¹⁰ Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

 

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1 Cor 6:11 KJB

¹¹ And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

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Mt 16:24 KJB

²⁴ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

 

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Rom 6:4-6 KJB

⁴ Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

⁵ For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

⁶ Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

 

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Rom 6:7-11 KJB

⁷ For he that is dead is freed from sin.

⁸ Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

⁹ Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

¹⁰ For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

¹¹ Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

 

 

[teddyv]

I disagree with this random dude's position that a same-sex attracted person who remains celibate is in sin. The sin comes from acting upon our thoughts or impulses. Complaining that someone stating they are celibate is a bit of bad take and just sort of ignores the breadth of Christian history.

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, teddyv said:

I disagree with this random dude's position that a same-sex attracted person who remains celibate is in sin. The sin comes from acting upon our thoughts or impulses. Complaining that someone stating they are celibate is a bit of bad take and just sort of ignores the breadth of Christian history.

More than one fellowship I have been in has had partners of the same sex who present as living together and emotionally bonded but celibate and saved. I give them the benefit of the doubt and minister to their needs the same as any other professing member of the body of Christ. 

These two ladies had been together for decades, one a pentecostal pastor's daughter whose sister became a Vicar in the Anglican Church, and the other now in poor health so that they needed my assistance to maintain their property and wrap up their plant nursery business from which they desperately wanted to retire. I simply did not make their attachment to each other an obstacle to assisting them, and they were shown every courtesy by our congregation although questions were asked behind the scenes regarding the nature of their relationship.

[teddyv]

31 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

... although questions were asked behind the scenes regarding the nature of their relationship.

To which one might reply that any such pronouncement of judgment should be based on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 

[Marilyn C]

10 hours ago, existential mabel said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great scriptures there mabel. They say it all, that we are a new creation and not of the old man.

[Marilyn C]

On 2/27/2023 at 9:15 AM, teddyv said:

I disagree with this random dude's position that a same-sex attracted person who remains celibate is in sin. The sin comes from acting upon our thoughts or impulses. Complaining that someone stating they are celibate is a bit of bad take and just sort of ignores the breadth of Christian history.

Hi teddyv,

The person reporting on Asbury did not say that the person who was celibate, was in sin. He said that the person calling himself a `gay Christian,` is holding on to his sin. He then gave scriptures to show that a believer is a new creation and that old things have passed away and been crucified with Christ on the Christ.

No believer calls themselves by their sins of the former life.

[teddyv]

13 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi teddyv,

The person reporting on Asbury did not say that the person who was celibrate, was in sin. He said that the person calling himself a `gay Christian,` is holding on to his sin. He then gave scriptures to show that a believer is a new creation and that old things have passed away and been crucified with Christ on the Christ.

No believer calls themselves by their sins of the former life.

On the one hand, he's celibate, therefore not in sin; but on the other hand, since he adds the adjective gay to Christian, he is holding onto his sin. These are contradictory positions.

[Marilyn C]

10 hours ago, teddyv said:

On the one hand, he's celibate, therefore not in sin; but on the other hand, since he adds the adjective gay to Christian, he is holding onto his sin. These are contradictory positions.

Hi teddyv,

You are right, they are contradictory positions. You see no Christian says he is a believer and he is `celibate.` The word `celibate` is there is be associated with the word `gay.`  Now there is no such thing as a `gay Christian.` There are people who were `gay,` but have turned from their sin and are now new creations in Christ. 

They could say I was a gay person but now I am a Christian. 

To say he is a `gay Christian` and is celibate, is to have people accept that a `gay` person is always a `gay` person even though a Christian.

It is subtle, confusing and down right wrong.