1to3 Posted March 25, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 140 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,269 Content Per Day: 1.24 Reputation: 3,091 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/28/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, Michael37 said: Some fish get thrown back. Matthew 13:47-51. Yes; And the parable of the sower explains this very well. Matthew 13:1-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1to3 Posted March 25, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 140 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,269 Content Per Day: 1.24 Reputation: 3,091 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/28/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2023 17 hours ago, Michael37 said: They wouldn't be elect if they got deceived, so the question of whether it is possible is answered before it is asked, by definition. Matthew 24:22-26 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened. -Does this passage not imply that unless those days be shortened even the elect would be deceived ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted March 25, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,254 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,983 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2023 44 minutes ago, 1to3 said: Matthew 24:22-26 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened. -Does this passage not imply that unless those days be shortened even the elect would be deceived ? No it means that if the days are not shortened the antichrist/beast will kill everyone it isn't talking about deception. It's talking about take the mark or die. It is were possible the phrase "if possible" makes no sense at all. Those people who would fall away are of those folks that Jesus will say, "I never knew you." And yes it is important to make sure of your salvation for if you don't have the Holy Spirit's lead, you won't make it. If you do Satan or the antichrist or either of the beasts can spiritually harm you. Ultimately some of us will die though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted March 26, 2023 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 244 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,016 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,936 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Online Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 hour ago, 1to3 said: Matthew 24:22-26 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened. -Does this passage not imply that unless those days be shortened even the elect would be deceived ? No. The shortening of antichrist activity gives the elect relief from climactic adversity and afflictions of the flesh it says. An example of this is the ending of the siege of Jerusalem in 70AD. The implication here is there will still be elect living at the return of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1to3 Posted March 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 140 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,269 Content Per Day: 1.24 Reputation: 3,091 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/28/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2023 2 hours ago, other one said: No it means that if the days are not shortened the antichrist/beast will kill everyone it isn't talking about deception. It's talking about take the mark or die. It is were possible the phrase "if possible" makes no sense at all. Those people who would fall away are of those folks that Jesus will say, "I never knew you." And yes it is important to make sure of your salvation for if you don't have the Holy Spirit's lead, you won't make it. If you do Satan or the antichrist or either of the beasts can spiritually harm you. Ultimately some of us will die though. 1 hour ago, Michael37 said: No. The shortening of antichrist activity gives the elect relief from climactic adversity and afflictions of the flesh it says. An example of this is the ending of the siege of Jerusalem in 70AD. The implication here is there will still be elect living at the return of Christ. Thank you for both your responses, I am going to have to take time to reflect on your responses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted March 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Michael37 said: Some fish get thrown back. Matthew 13:47-51. Better put, some fish were never caught Once a Christian is sealed by the Holy Spirit, it's until redemption, "Eternal Security" Ephesians 4:30KJV 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Edited March 26, 2023 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted March 26, 2023 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 244 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,016 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,936 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Online Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted March 26, 2023 27 minutes ago, truth7t7 said: Better put, some fish were never caught Once a Christian is sealed by the Holy Spirit, it's until redemption, "Eternal Security" Ephesians 4:30KJV 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. The Scripture I quoted describes a selection process in which some of the fish caught in the net and drawn in are thrown back. A similar concept is conveyed in the parable of the wedding guest without the acceptable garment. As mentioned, the parable of the Sower also illustrates the influences that adversely affect the faith of some along the way to safety in Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted March 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Michael37 said: As mentioned, the parable of the Sower also illustrates the influences that adversely affect the faith of some along the way to safety in Christ. I Disagree You present a works based salvation Once the Holy Spirit has sealed a believer and dwells within them, they have "eternal security", until the day of redemption, they are in the fathers hand John 10:27-30KJV 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one. Edited March 26, 2023 by truth7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted March 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.63 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, truth7t7 said: I Disagree Sorry for butting in to somebody else's argument but: What does the Parable of the Sower mean to you? How do you see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth7t7 Posted March 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,749 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, FJK said: Sorry for butting in to somebody else's argument but: What does the Parable of the Sower mean to you? How do you see it? The seed planted in good soil that grows into a belief and confession unto salvation is the Holy Spirit sealed Christian "Eternal Security", the other seed never obtained salvation It's a false assumption that the "Seed" represents a Christian Believer, on a Journey to salvation as was presented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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