For TempestTossed

[BlindSeeker]

Dear TempestTossed,

I used to post here quite a bit awhile back when the sight was smaller and much easier to keep up with. It used to be like the small town where everyone knew each other pretty well. Now it has grown so much that it is impossible to keep up with everyone and all the threads and posts . . . so now I just frequently drop in now and then and see what the topics of the day are and who is discussing what. Due to time constraints I usually do not post much anymore.

Anyway, I ran across your thread "Jesus' Sacrificial Death" and began to read and was moved by your comments, especially the one at the end of your initial post, "It just doesn't make sense."

I figured would submit to you an old post mine in response to your other thread. I did not wish to hijack it and felt this was too much to try and submit to you there. This is my sincere attempt to present to you that true Christianity can and does make sense (for there is indeed an excess of pseudo-christianity that can't make any sense).

Please forgive the length, but in order for such a topic to make sense, things must be presented as the scriptures which present it to us say, "precept upon precept, line upon line."

BlindSeeker

Justified In the Spirit

God has promised in Hebrews 11:6 to reward us with understanding if we would "diligently" seek Him. Answering His call to personal holiness, picking up our crosses and following Him is how we seek Him. To those who obey this mandate Jesus said He would give to them "to know the mystery of the kingdom of God" (Mark 4:11).

We are required to "diligently" seek if we are to find, just as we must actively knock if the door of understanding is to be opened unto us. We must humbly acknowledge our ignorance and ask for understanding if we are to be enlightened by God's Holy Spirit. Nothing is more blinding than the light one proudly thinks himself to have. Yet, all our seeking, knocking, and asking must be with an intention of true faithfulness if we are to receive anything from God. It is only when "our hearts condemn us not" of sin that we have true "confidence" toward God. It is in that place and condition that "whatsoever we ask, we receive of Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight" (I John 3:21,22).

However, the revealing of God's precious truths is often time progressive. Seeing God's truth given one tidbit at a time is not rare. Holy men of old often prophesied of future events in fragments, "here a little" and then in another text, perhaps even another prophet, "there a little." This method of enlightenment is in exact accordance with what the bible teaches us. I Corinthians 13:9 tells us plainly that we all "prophesy in part." When we properly assemble these parts by the Holy Spirit's illuminating touch these fragments give insight into what would otherwise be a puzzling piece of scripture.

"For without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, [God was] justified in the spirit, [God was] seen of angels, [God had] preached unto the Gentiles, [God was] believed on in the world, [God was] received up into glory" (I Timothy 3:16).

The reason "justified in the spirit" is in bold print is because people often overlook it. Many people simply read over that part of the text as if it were just King James jargon, put there merely as some spiritual word filler. It's not. It's a very important confirmation of a little known and taught part of the Christian faith.

Let's look again, "God . . . was justified in the spirit . . . " Now questions arise, "Justified of what, before who, how and why?" To answer before who is easy. "God . . . was justified . . . seen of angels." To answer the other questions is not quite as simple. First we must make sure we understand exactly WHO Jesus Christ was (and is).

Despite Paul's warning to Corinth church that some would come "preaching another Jesus . . . another gospel," most people are positive they know WHO Jesus is, (II Cor. 11:14). Many have never even considered scripturally proving that their "Jesus" is the same one Paul preached. In light of Paul's warning of "another Jesus" we would do well to examine our "Jesus" in the light of the "holy scriptures with the help of the Holy Spirit given them "to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus" (II Timothy 3:15).

Jesus was, and is, called the "son of God." However, the word "son" was not meant to infer He would be God's descendant, or offspring, such as we have offsprings. The word was merely prophetic of THE CHILD's gender which God promised would be born. From the beginning, when man fell into sin in the garden, God promised that a deliverer would come. A "seed" that would bruise the head of the serpent (the devil), and the serpent would "bruise HIS heel" (Genesis 3.15). A "man child" would be born.

Jesus Christ is that "seed" and "man child." A "son" that could only have been OF God, for as it was foretold, the child would be born of a virgin. While this child's conception was accomplished entirely OF God, men would still call him "son of man," (although no earthly man took part in His conception).

The phrase "Son of man" is merely a Jewish maxim which testifies of one's humanity. In Christ's case, it testified of His own humanity - He was "born" a man.

"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same . . . for verily He took not on Him the nature of angels: but He took on Him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore it behoved Him to be made like unto His brethren" (Hebrews 2:14-17).

Just as Isaiah foretold, "a virgin" had conceived and brought forth a "son." They would call this child, as both Isaiah prophesied and the angel Gabriel foretold, "Immanuel . . . which being interpreted is, God-with-us" (Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:18-23, Luke 1:26-35).

Consider a few more scriptures;

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6).

"Ye are My witnesses," saith the Lord, "and My servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He [the child to come]. Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord; and besides Me there is no saviour. I am the Lord, your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King" (Isaiah 43:10,11,15).

In Jesus alone we see the above verses fulfilled. As I Timothy 3:16 says, "God was manifested in the flesh." Amazingly, in His finite, fleshly form, as a "son of man," would God's love and commitment be revealed for all to see. His incarnation would enable both men and angels witnessed His unselfish character by manner of the life and death of the man Jesus. Oh what wondrous thing is this? "God in Christ" has reconciled "the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them" (I Cor. 5:19).

Through the wisdom of His incarnation God has revealed "unto us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself: that in the dispensation of the fullness of time He might gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both which are in heaven [angels], and which are on earth [man]; even in Him [Jesus]" (Ephesians 1:9, 10).

Now we who believe can see both "the power of God, and the wisdom of God" in Jesus Christ (I Cor. 1:18-24). Therefore, we give "thanks unto the Father . . . Who hath delivered us from the kingdom of darkness, and translated us unto the kingdom of His dear Son . . . Who is the image [manifestation] of the invisible God . . . He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church: Who is The Beginning, the Firstborn From The Dead; That in all things He might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in Him [the man child] should all fulness [of The Mighty God] dwell; and having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven" (see Colossians 1:12-20).

In order for Jesus to qualify as the prophetic "Christ" and accomplish all this He had to be, by necessity, simultaneously both God and Man.Were Jesus not fully God Himself, and his earthen vessel fully man, He could not be what He claims to be in Revelation 22:16, both "the root and offspring of David." As the "root of David" we see Jesus as "The Everlasting Father" of Isaiah 9:6. As the "offspring of David" we see Him as the "man child" or "son" promised at the fall of man. Jesus is not merely some subservient offspring of "Father God." No, He is the Father. Jesus is The Mighty God. This is what Isaiah 9:6 plainly tells us.

Perhaps the most common stumbling block concerning Jesus' deity is an apparent inability to answer the question, "How can Jesus be the Everlasting Father and still pray to the Father?"

Good question. Nevertheless, Isaiah said the "Prince of Peace" would be none other than "The Everlasting Father." Indeed it is a mystery, but just because something is a mystery does not make it impossible. A mystery is simply proof of ignorance, a lack of knowledge and understanding.

A good basic guideline for understanding Christ, the God/man, is to remember that God in His pure essence "is a spirit" (John 4:24). By Jesus' own words we know that "a spirit hath not flesh and bones" (Luke 24:29). Therefore, God in His pure essence as a spirit is not limited to a finite visible form. Being omnipresent, He is everywhere all the time, throughout time, at the same time - past, present, future. Therefore Jesus, while locked in time and space by His human flesh, through prayer communed with His Omnipresent Spirit, "the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity" (Isaiah 57:15).

Now ponder this, if you could simply go back one minute in time you could both see and be with yourself. You could even talk to yourself. Would that make you two? Certainly it would seem as if there was two. Nevertheless, in truth you are still only one. One in heart, one in mind, but in two places. It is the escape from time's hold that affords you the ability to be in two places at simultaneously. You, from the future, could warn yourself of what is yet to come. This is what Jesus revealed to Nicodemus. "No man has ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven," (John 3:13). Jesus was there talking to Nicodemus, yet referring to Himself as "is in heaven." It is this unique aspect of God's Omnipresence that causes Him to know those who would be saved from the foundations of the world.

"Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am He" (Isaiah 41:4).

"Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel will stand, and I will do all My pleasure" (Isaiah 46:9,10).

"I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of My mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass. I have even from the beginning declared it to thee: before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them" (Isaiah 48:3,5).

At Athens Paul encourage the men to "seek the Lord [Jesus], if haply they might feel after Him, and find Him, though He be not far from every one of us: for in Him we live and move and have our very being . . . " (Acts 17:27,28). Again in Psalm 139 David reasons with God saying, "Whither shall I go from Thy Spirit? Or whither shall I flee from Thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, Thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, Thou art there. If I take the wings of morning, and dwell In the uttermost parts of the sea: even there shall Your hand lead me and Your right hand hold me" (Verses 7-10).

"Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD" (Jeremiah 23:24).

Thus we can see the omnipresence of the "eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God."

We see in Romans how great a relationship one can have "IN" Christ."There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are IN Christ Jesus." This "IN Christ Jesus" is different from the "in"we see spoken to the men of Athens, "IN Him we live and move and have our very being." This "IN" is much more. It is more than just some hyper-spiritual concept concerning the "Christian position." This "IN" is a state of intimate communion one may have with Christ. However, this is only possible after one has made a conscious resolve to "walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" (Romans 8:1, see I John 1:3,7).

This "Spirit" one must walk after? Who is it?

It is the "Spirit of Christ" of course. Is it not Him we want to be "IN" and be intimate with? See Romans 8:9, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the SPIRIT, if so be that the SPIRIT OF GOD dwell in you. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of His." Furthermore this "Spirit of Christ" is the Holy Spirit. A mistake many make is they perceive the phrase "Holy Spirit" to be a proper name. It's not. It's a precise definition of God. He's holy and in essence He's a spirit. Therefore He alone deserves to be called the "Holy Spirit."

Let's look at a few more scriptures.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manner spake in times past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son . . . the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person" (Hebrew 1:1-3).

Note the words in bold type, "God, spake, by the prophets, by His Son." Let's continue.

"For the prophesy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" (II Peter 1:21).

Here we see "God, Who, spake, by the prophets" in Hebrews 1:1&2 is here speaking by "holy men of God as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." Same God, same prophets, same Spirit.

Again, let's continue;

". . . Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of grace that should come unto you: searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify . . . which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into" (I Peter 1:11,12).

The " prophets" through which "God . . . spake" as they "were moved by the Holy Ghost" spake what "the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify." Peter continues to say that the preaching of this good news continues to come by the unction of the "Holy Ghost sent down from heaven,"

"Now the Lord [Jesus] is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty" (II Corinthians 3:17).

In light of all this, I hope all could and would agree that when the Bible speaks of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ that it is the same Spirit. If so, then when Paul states that God was "justified in the Spirit," we should understand, it was the Holy Spirit of the "eternal, immortal, invisible, the ONLY wise God" Almighty that was "manifested in the flesh" of Jesus, (I Timothy 1:17; 3:16).

"Who has ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who hath gather the wind in his fist? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name? And what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?" (Proverbs 30:4).

The above verse is a riddle that men have long sought to answer. In their search for the answer, neither men's own imagination, nor their adversary has failed to provide a variety of explanations to select from. However, we cannot afford to be wrong in our selection. We must be certain we "know in Whom" we believe (II Timothy 1:12). Fortunately, He Who has placed the question is also willing to answer it.

Having been warned as Christians, we should "believe not every spirit [be it of man or angel]," but we are to "try the spirits whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world." Here's how we know those that are of God, "Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world" (I John 4:1-4).

Now take a moment and consider the lasting effect of Jesus upon humanity. Now really, who but an ignorant fool would deny that a man named "Jesus" ever existed. Even historians who do not subscribe to the beliefs of Christianity readily acknowledge Jesus' existence. Even many religions which oppose the Christian faith acknowledge the historical man named Jesus. A person with any intellect must, due to the over whelming evidence, must acknowledge that not only did such a man "come in the flesh," but that He died in the flesh as well! Nevertheless, these two truths are not what the Apostle John was talking about.

The spirit of antichrist is not "anti-Jesus came in the flesh." NOR is it "anti-Jesus the subservient offspring of God come in the flesh." Amazingly, neither is the spirit of antichrist "anti- god." Quite the contrary, the Bible tells us this spirit of antichrist is really, to many people's surprise, "pro-god." It just is not "pro the true living God," instead it is "pro the existence of a god."

See the Bible says that "that man of sin" will exalt himself "so that he AS GOD sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God" (II Thessalonians 2:2,4). Yet this he could not do IF people truly knew that Jesus Christ alone is God. Therefore, the spirit of antichrist is ANTI-TRUTH, or "Anti-Jesus/The Almighty God come in the flesh."

Jesus said, "Take heed that no man deceive you. For many will come in My name, saying I am the Christ; and shall deceive many" (Matthew 24:4,5). These are men who will acknowledge both the life and death of Jesus, and openly admit that He was the foretold and promised deliverer that would come, the Christ. Yet their definition of the "Christ" is different from that of God's.

Countless so-called Christian leaders nowadays deny the reality Jesus Christ was "The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father" come in the flesh (Isaiah 9:6). They readily admit He is the "Prince of Peace" of Isaiah 9:6, but not the Everlasting Father.

"This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of christ hath not god. He that abideth in the doctrine if Christ, He hath BOTH the [Everlasting] Father and the Son" (II John 7, 9).

Notice that the word "doctrine" in II John 9 is singular. John was not referring to the many doctrines or teachings given by Jesus. John was referring to that one singular doctrine which is the foundation of true Christianity. It is the teaching concerning "who Jesus is." The Bible calls this teaching the "Doctrine of Christ." God will not permit this doctrine to be changed. To do so will certainly have severe eternal consequences. Believe me. The Apostle warns us that "if any come unto you, and bring not THIS doctrine [but a different teaching of Whom Christ is], receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is a partaker of his evil deeds" (II John 10, 11).

"Who is a liar but he that denieth Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son [are the selfsame]. Whosoever denieth the [isaiah 9:6] Son, the same hath not the [isaiah 9:6 Everlasting] Father: But He that acknowledgeth the Son hath the [Everlasting] Father also" (I John 2:22,23). WHY? Because "They" are the same person. THIS TRUTH IS HID to them that are lost. The god of this world HAS blinded their minds, "lest the glorious light of the gospel of Christ, Who is the image of God, should shine unto them" (II Corinthians 4:3,4).

GOD WAS JUSTIFIED? -- OF WHAT?

It is my prayer that we could all now agree concerning this "Doctrine of Christ." For it is the "rock" upon which the true church must be founded. To be ignorant of this truth, or disbelieving, is to be blinded to the true light of the glory of God (II Corinthians 4:36).

Perhaps now is a good time to consider just what the word "justified" means. In I Timothy 3:16 the Greek word translated "Justified" is "dikaioo," which comes from the root word "dikaios."

Let's look at their definitions;

Dikaios - equitable (in character or act); by implication, innocent, holy (absolutely or relatively): just, meet, right (eous).

Dikaioo - to render (i.e. show or regard as) just or innocent.

Webster tells us to be justified is to be shown just, right, and to have functioned in accord with good reason. To be freed from blame; declared guiltless; acquitted; absolved. By these definitions we could easily say, "to be justified is to be vindicated of false accusation by the revealed, proven and witnessed (seen) facts."

So then, what was the accusation? By whom? The first recorded accusation in the Bible was against God. What happened? Well, there Eve was one day when the serpent asked her, "Has God said you should not eat of every tree in the garden?" Eve's reply was, "We may eat the fruit of every tree in the garden; except the tree in the middle of the garden, God said, you shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die." And the serpent said unto Eve, "You shall not surely die: for God knows that in the day you eat it your eyes shall be open, ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil" (Genesis 3:1-24).

Here we see the devil, via the serpent, claiming God to be a liar, saying, "You shall not surely die." Satan then implies that selfishness is the reason God does not want Adam and Eve to eat of the tree. Satan concludes that God doesn't want any other gods around, "God knows . . . ye shall be as gods" (Genesis 3:5).

Satan basically accused God of being a lover of self, and if selfish, than God must be a sinner as well. It was this manner of sin that provoked God to not spare "the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgement" (II Peter 2:4). For this manner of sin there can be no forgiveness. "Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come" (Matthew 10:25).

We know Satan's accusations are false and by them we can see both his jealousy and hatred toward God. Interestingly, scriptures show that the incident in the garden was not the first time Satan accused God of greedily hoarding the throne. This we'll see as we look at the devil's beginning.

THE DEVIL'S BEGINNING

The Apostle John said, "The devil sinneth from the beginning" (I John 3:8). The beginning of what? From the beginning of his negative conversion. What does that mean? Well, let's look at those texts of scripture the Bible offers us for insight into his former state.

"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God . . . Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God: thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in all thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity wast found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise [covetousness] they have filled the midst if thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, 0 covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings that they may behold thee" (Ezekiel 28:13-17).

"How thou art fallen from heaven, 0 Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thy heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High. Yet thou shall be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit" (Isaiah 14:12-15).

Now some have rejected the idea that these two passages have anything to do with the devil. They say Ezekiel was specifically speaking of, and to, the king of Tyrus, and only the king of Tyrus. However the king of Tyrus was never "in Eden the garden of God," nor was he ever an "anointed cherub." Certainly, the king of Tyrus was born and not "created."

Some regard Isaiah's prophesy as merely a prophesy against the king of Babylon. Yet Isaiah, as did Ezekiel, spoke by the same Holy Spirit for our benefit (I Corinthians 14:3-5). These two prophesies focused upon these two earthy kings upon because they, like Satan, exalted themselves beyond their realm. While these prophesies focused upon these kings personal sins, Satan's sin was the true focal point of the word.

Yes, Ezekiel and Isaiah both, by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, recorded the fall of the anointed cherub that we might have insight into the beginning of all sin -- SELF-esteem. This is why Paul told Timothy not to place a novice, one young in the faith, into a position of leadership, "Lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil" (I Timothy 3:6).

Not that the devil would not condemn the novice, God alone is the one who condemns sinners. Rather, just as Satan was condemned for his pride, so would be the novice. For from the beginning "pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall" (Proverbs 16:18).

Both the king of Tyrus and the king of Babylon had displayed attributes which originated in Satan, the ultimate chief of sinners. As it happened with Satan, their positions and wealth seduced them too. God had permitted them positions of honor and therefore they thought they were something special, when in reality they were nothing. The deceitfulness of sin caught them. Their positions and power came not of themselves. God gave it to them. Therefore their posture should have been one of humility and thankfulness, not pride.

Look at Ezekiel's and Isaiah's account of the devil's heart. "Thine heart was lifted up because of thine beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness" (Ezekiel 28:17). "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend unto heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will also sit upon the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the clouds: I will be like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:13,14).

Here we can see the progression of SELF-esteem. First, it caused Satan to separate himself from the rest of God's angelic beings saying, "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God." The "stars" are symbolic of angels, see Revelation 12:4,7. Not being satisfied with being above his peers he says, "I will be like the Most High." Mesmerized by his own beauty, Satan felt he was entitled to the same admiration and praise as God, the Creator of that beauty. God is worthy of more glory "inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honor than the house" (Hebrews 3:3).

Self-esteem will always lead to the same end, humiliation and destruction. Sure, like many sins in their early stages, it can make one feel good, but only temporarily. Therefore, because of his SELF-esteem, Satan had corrupted his wisdom and forfeited both his position with God and his beauty. Any beauty he now has is only an illusion. Satan had sought to honor himself instead of his Creator and was therefore condemned, (Romans 1:25).

"I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thy iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire in the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be anymore" (Ezekiel 28:17-19).

"Yet shalt thou be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, is this the man [devil] that did shake kingdoms; that made all the world a wilderness, and destroyeth the cities thereof; that openeth not the house of his prisoners" (Isaiah 14:15-17).

DEVILS IN HEAVEN

In these verses God had obviously not only judged (made an accurate assessment of) Satan's heart, but condemned (sentenced) him as well. Therefore, the questions arise -

• Why then, if Satan was already condemned, was he there loose in the garden seducing Adam and Eve?
  
• Why after being sentenced to hell was he permitted back into the heavenly throne room?
  

Perhaps you've never considered these questions before, but they are valid questions. The scriptures show us that Satan refused to be subject to God's will for he would come and go wherever he wished. This liberty was really lawlessness. Satan's "free spirit" was in truth nothing more than a proud, rebellious spirit, daring even to approach the throne of God!

"Now there came a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down it" (Job 1:6,7).

The scripture above continues with Satan accusing Job of serving God only for God's blessings and protection. (Now of how many Christians today would that accusation be true?) Nevertheless, God's response was not to ACCUSE Satan of lying. Rather, He allowed Satan to try Job, knowing Job WOULD PROVE Satan a liar. God allowed Satan to take literally everything Job had, except his wife. Yet, get this, Job WORSHIPED GOD and blessed His name!

Next Satan accused Job of serving God for his own health. Again, to disprove his lies, God permitted Satan to afflict Job nigh unto death. Yet again, "in all this, did not Job sin with his libs" (Job 2:4,5,10).

What do we see in all this? Two things. First, the devil falsely accusing the righteous and, secondly, the righteous abstaining from verbal sins. To the contrary, even in adversity we see the righteous committed to trusting and serving God. Hear Job, "Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" (Job 13:15).

Still, back to the question, "Why did Satan have liberty to come before God in light the judgement against him?" To make this mystery more enticing, "Why would part of the angelic host, again in light of God's judgement, choose to side with the devil?" Answer, (at least the only one which seems to make any sense and fits the devil's pattern), the devil cunningly argued his defense before God and His heavenly host, and the jury was divided.

Perhaps his defense began by comparing his beauty and brightness to that of God's. "What visible difference is there between me and God that God should be over me? Why, if God says it is iniquity for me to sit upon the throne, is it not for Him? Is there a double standard? Does not God do whatever He wants? Does He ask or seek our approval? How then, if simply because of my beauty I too wish to sit on the throne, can He declare me a sinner worthy of hell's torment? If this is true, than by His own judgement, God deserves the same! Is not God doing that which He Himself condemns? How then can it be justice for me to be condemned and not God as well?"

Oh what blasphemy! Nevertheless, this fits Satan's wild accusations made earlier with Eve. "FOR GOD KNOWETH . . . YE SHALL BE GODS." Satan insinuated that it was due to God being egotistical and self-centered that He refused Adam and Eve to eat of the tree. If they attempted to be "gods" then God would condemn them too.

"God's not willing to share the mount. Who's He kidding? All He wants is to sit up there, high and lofty, and require us to worship Him," argues Satan. "A little too much self-esteem I'd say. Really, is it fair for God to send me to hell simply I because I wanted to be like Him? It's not like I wanted His throne, just my own. I simply wanted to be LIKE the Most High, NOT TO BE THE MOST HIGH."

Satan's reasoning must have been pretty convincing, since part of the heavenly host accepted his lies as truth and sided with him. His desire to be a god to the other angels became a reality as one third of the angels were swept away in his revolt against the Lord. As the heavenly vision in Revelation 12 illustrates, the dragon, who is Satan, "drew a third part of the stars of heaven" down to earth (verse 4). As verse seven says, Satan had got the allegiance of the fallen angels who became "his" BECAUSE THEY TOOK PART IN HIS SIN!

Those angels who sided with Satan did so simply because they loved his ideology more than God. Satan proposed a life equal to God's in that it should be answerable to none. In his craftiness he managed to arouse a "pride of [one's own] life," a lust for SELF-esteem. From that point on the fallen angels became slaves to their envy, having hearts that coveted the very majesty of God!

These angels embraced Satan's idiot-ology wholeheartedly. By allowing themselves to be seduced by all his "deceivableness of unrighteousness," they too were condemned. Having rejected the "love of the truth," God gave them over to Satan's "strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (II Thessalonians 2:19), Satan's accusations had shaken all of God's creation. No angel could escape the effect of Satan's lie that God only does what He wanted to do, regardless of others and He condemns those who seek to exercise the same "freedom" or "right." Still, most of the angels chose to put their trust in God and remained loyal, emotionally disrupted maybe, but loyal none the less.

So why didn't God, the Almighty, simply wink His eye or close His hand and do away with all those rebellious angels? Certainly, just as easily as they were spoken into creation they could have been erased or destroyed. But God, even though He had declared His Judgement against the fallen angels, delayed the executing of His judgement against them. This is because God is a God of love and truth. His priority was to insure, by a personal irrefutable demonstration of that love and truth, that no accusation of any kind would, or could, ever be thrust upon His holy person again.

Therefore God's priority was not one of vengeance, retaliating against His accuser and those who believed his lies. Rather, God's first priority was to prove beyond all doubt His character in the hearts and minds of the faithful angels, see Ephesians 3:8-11 and I Peter 1:12 below. God had a mysterious plan whereby He could forever eliminate any grounds for suspicion in the hearts of those that would believe in Him. God's plan? He would first justify Himself -- THEN avenge Himself THROUGH His heavenly host!

"Unto me, who is less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; and make all men to see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, Who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known, by the church, the manifold wisdom of God, according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Eph. 3:8-11).

"Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves [the prophets of old], but unto us did they minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; Which things the angels desire to look into" (I Peter 1:12).

Instead of defending Himself, God remained silent before His accuser. He did not strive to clear His name in the heavens nor win the hearts of humanity with "enticing words." He preferred a "demonstration of His Spirit and power," (I Corinthians 2:4,5). Accused of being an egotist, unfair and domineering, God would forever discredit all these blasphemous lies through the work of the cross.

Dear reader, God delights in all His creatures, and He desires that they would delight in Him. He has given His love freely and longs for love to be freely returned. God knows that our love, if it is to be true love, MUST be freely given with absolute trust. Don't be deceived, Satan lied. God knew it. Unfortunately, a third part of the angels didn't. Seduced by Satan's perverted and corrupt wisdom they chose his side. It was a fatal choice, but still a very popular one today.

There is no neutral ground one can take. God will not permit it. In His eyes, one's failure to stand God and separate from sinners is a stand against Him. Consequently, Satan's lies forced every angel to choose sides. Likewise, we too are forced to do the same. We must separate or partake of their sins (11 John 9-11, II Cor. 6:14-17, Rev. 18:4).

"Come out from among them, and be ye separate . . . and . . . I will receive you. Come out . . . that ye be not partakers of their sins. He that is not with Me is against Me" (II Cor. 6:17, Rev. 18:4, Matt. 12:30).

FALSE ACCUSATIONS

As it stands, we've seen the devil deceive Eve, call God a liar, and accuse righteous Job. Are you surprised by all this? You shouldn't be. This has been Satan's manner of sin "from the beginning" (I John 3:8). We were warned by Jesus that "If they have called the master of the house [God] Beelzebub [Chief of Sinners], how much more shall they call them of His household?" (Matthew 10:25).

Be not deceived, just as the righteous before us have been falsely accused by Satan and his children, so will be the righteous in our day. Let us therefore take our consolation in Christ alone, for He has promised, "Blessed are ye when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and say all manner of evil against you falsely, for My sake. REJOICE, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven" (Matthew 5:11,12).

False accusations have always been the main ammunition used by Satan to attack those who would choose to live godly. As a swordsman is a master of his weapon, so is our enemy with his lies. It truly is as the psalmist says, "The proud have forged a lie against me" (Psalm 119:69), To "forge" something is to intentionally manufacture something false in order to pass it off as genuine or true.

Remember how at Jesus' trial they "sought false witnesses . . . to put Him to death," but they found none? "Yea, though many false witnesses came, yet they found none." The problem wasn't a shortage of accusations. The problem was the credibility of the witnesses. They were unable to "forge" a lie against our Lord and Savior. Then came two false witnesses which said, "This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God and build it again in three days" (Matthew 26:60,61). However, what Jesus really said was, "Destroy this temple [His body], and in three days I will raise it up" (John 2:19). Oh how skillful the adversary is in twisting the words of God.

The Bible holds numerous accounts of those faithful to God being falsely accused. In Acts 6:11 we see Stephen being accused of speaking "blasphemous words against Moses, and against God." In Macedonia, Paul and Silas were accused of troubling the whole city! Because of it they were beaten and cast into prison. In Thessalonica their preaching caused such an uproar they were actually accused of "turning the world upside down!" See Acts 16:20,21 and Acts 17:5-7,

Paul, afterwards, was called "a pestilent fellow, a mover of sedition among all the Jews of the world, a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: who hath gone about and profane the temple" (Acts 24:5). Even before Festus, the governor of Judea, the Jews "laid many grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove" (Acts 25:7,8). One can but speculate what profane lies the false prophet Barjesus forged to withstand Barnabas and Paul (Acts 13:6-12).

The devil and his "children" will never cease forging their lies against the church. For as "Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith. But they will progress no farther, for their folly will be manifest to all, as their's also was. But ye have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, afflictions . . . what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution" (II Timothy 3:8-12).

LOWER THAN THE ANGELS

In the book of Hebrews we read that Jesus "was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death . . . that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man." For as much as we are "flesh and blood, He also likewise took part of the same: that through [His] death on the cross He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetimes subject to bondage" (Hebrews 2:9,14,15).

Now many people perceive Satan's "power of death" in Hebrews 2:14 the same as having the "keys of death" in Revelation 1:18. It's not, Psalm 68:20 says, "our God is the God of salvation; and unto God belong the issues of death." The devil has NEVER had the unilateral power to take life from us. God alone determines and permits the time of every man's death, not the devil. We see this proven in the Old Testament where the dead were brought back to life by God's servants (I Kings 17:17-23, II Kings 4:32-37, II Kings 13:21).

In the New Testament we see that Jesus raised Lazarus, Jarius' daughter and the widow's son from the dead. He also gave the "power to raise the dead" to His disciples prior to His death on the cross. Also we can see that the devil could never have killed Job's family if God had not permitted it. Likewise, concerning the "beast" of Revelation "IT," meaning permission, "WAS GIVEN him to make war with the saints and to overcome them" (Revelation 13:7).

Certainly, we must all agree that there are certain things people can do to alter their appointed time of death, to lengthen it or shorten it. Some examples are eating right and exercising versus substance abuse and suicide. However, without God's allowing, death can and will evade or conquer any man's personal desires, see Rev. 9:6.

Proverbs 18:21 say, "Death and life are in the power of the tongue," and THIS is where the devil's "power of death" rests. All he can do on his own is lie, undermine, distort, and pervert the truth of God. He mishandles it by over emphasizing some parts while minimizing or ignoring other indispensable parts. This is known as the "Strain at a gnat and swallow a camel" religion (Matthew 23:23-26). The result of this kind of religion is death. Satan's strategy is to shipwreck every Christian's faith through false accusations and false "doctrines of devils" (I Timothy 1:19, 4:1).

To counter the devil's crusade of deception, the Holy Spirit seeks to illuminate the yielded heart of the believer to His precious truths. Not just the written truth, but the Living Truth, Himself! God came in the flesh to discredit Satan's lies and had long since returned via His Holy Spirit to establish true faith in the heart of every believer.

DISPROVING SATAN'S LIES

"For this purpose was the Son of God manifest, that He might destroy the works of the devil" (I John 3:8). How? ". . . Christ Jesus, Who, being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but MADE HIMSELF of no reputation, and took on Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross" (Philippians 2:9-11).

Yes, the Supreme Governor of the universe made Himself lower than the angels. In an earthen vessel of flesh and blood dwelt "all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 1:9, 2:9). In frail, humble humanity the revelation of God's eternal glory was unveiled and through it His divine character was clearly and undeniably revealed to all.

"The LORD made bare [revealed] His Holy Arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God" (Isaiah 52:10).

Yes, He who was once "sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up" descended and manifested Himself in the form of a man for all the nations to see. Yet as Isaiah said, "Who has believed our report? And to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For He [the human manifestation of God, Jesus] shall grow up before Him [His omnipresent eternal Spirit] as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground," (Isaiah 6:1, 53:1,2, John 12:41).

Think about that for a minute, "a tender plant, . . .a root out of dry ground?" What does that mean?

Let's say you have two planter pots, in one you plant a tomato seedling and in the other you plant an identical seedling. The first you water eveery day as recommended, the other you only water every third day. The first grows as it should, strong and healthy. It is a fine looking tomato plant.

The other however, you only water every third day. It grows up to be a tender plant, having it's roots in dry soil. When you compare the two, you immediately favor the first healthy plant. The second one has no outward attributes that compel you to it. This is the incarnation of Christ.

"For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." (Isaiah 53:2 )

He who once descended upon Mount Sinai in fire causing the whole mount to quake greatly came into the world as an infant, a male child, through the womb of a virgin. Upon entering into this world "this child" was "set for the rise and fall of many in Israel: and for a sign which shall be [falsely] spoken against" (Luke 2:34).

The Almighty chose not to come with an appearance like that of King Saul, who was obviously a "choice young man" and "goodly [handsome]; and there was not a goodlier person than he: from his shoulders upward he was higher than any of the people" (I Samuel 9:2). Surely this was the kind of Christ many were looking for, and still are. But no, God took for Himself a body that would have "no form nor comeliness" that "when we shall see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him" (Isaiah 53:2). God did not attempt to win our love by impressing us with a majestic display of outward beauty. No, He laid all that aside and in a beaten, whipped, spat upon, crucified and pierced body, He silently, but openly, proved His love for us and forever settled any question of being worthy of our love.

God refuted the lies of the devil by condescending to life form that was even lower than the angels, man. He lived a life that proved to both angel and man that He was worthy of our love and service and showed us how we ought to live our lives. Everything that Jesus said and did was in accordance with the will of His Father (John 4:34, 5:19, 8:8,9). Having Himself learned the benefit of obedience by the things He suffered, Jesus set the standard for all who would live godly (Hebrews 5:8,9). "Christ . . . suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow in His footsteps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in His mouth: Who when he was reviled, reviled not again: when He suffered, He threatened not; but committed Himself to Him that judges righteously" (I Peter 2:21-23).

Almighty God "was brought as a lamb to the slaughter" as our "offering for sin." He who is the giver of all life "poured out His soul unto death." He who is "our Judge . . . our lawgiver . . . our King -- was numbered with the transgressors" (Isaiah 34:12 and the entire 53rd chapter).

Therefore "God has highly exalted Him, and given Him a name above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and of things in the earth, and of things under the earth: and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Fathr" (Philippians 2:9-11).

By the cross it was proven that Satan had lied! Jesus "spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it" (Colossians 2:15). God did not merely do what He wanted or deemed pleasant for Himself. Rather, as a loving Father, He did what was best for those He had created (Luke 22:41-44, Romans 15:3, Hebrews 5:7). He came not as an overbearing and selfish master. No, He came as a loving Shepherd to those who would follow Him. If this is not sufficing to clear His glorious name than consider Jesus words below:

"I counsel thee to buy of Me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eye salve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and I chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold I stand at the door and knock: if any man will hear My voice, and open the door, I will come in unto him, and will sup with him, and he with Me. To Him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame and am set down with My Father in His throne. He that hath an ear to hear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches," (Revelation 3: 18-22).

What does all this prove? It proves God is not egotistical. It proves God is not self-centered! It proves God is both just and merciful! It proves God is WILLING to share His throne! So much for those blasphemous lies of the devil! In fact, in alight of both history and scripture, God has proven Himself to be the MEEKEST and most generous "Being" ever! PRAISE HIS GLORIOUS NAME -JESUS! Certainly this might all seem hard to embrace. It should. The devil has labored hard and long to discredit God and present humanity with "another Jesus" to believe in (11 Corinthians 11:4). The truth of God's incarnation, as the man Jesus, helps us "to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth and length, and the depth, and height: and to know the love of Christ which passeth knowledge." It also proves Satan's true character, as well as his defeat.

LIGHTNING FALLING FROM HEAVEN

"And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through Thy name. And He said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven" (Luke 10:17,18).

The above verse is a very enlightening piece of scripture. While the disciples were away, Jesus (who was in prayer and fasting often), "beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Now some people feel Jesus literally saw Satan cast to the earth. Others believe Jesus saw this in a spiritual sense as a result of the seventy's mission. However, neither of these views can be supported apart from this passage.

A third opinion is that Jesus did indeed have a vision, but it was prophetic -- meaning the event He witnessed was yet to take place. It is this view which has the most support of the scriptures. Personally, I believe it was this vision which enabled Jesus to set His face like flint toward the cross (Isaiah 50:5-9).

According to scripture, "He beheld Satan . . . fall," past tense. Now in prophetic visions it is normal to see events come to pass before the events literally happen. The books of Isaiah, Daniel, and Revelation should be adequate proof for any skeptic. However, the most significant proof that this was a "prophetic vision" and not just an "event" resulting from the disciple's mission comes from statements made by Jesus later on.

"The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. Verily, verily, I say unto you, except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. Now is My soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour? But for this cause came I unto this hour. Father, glorify Thy name. Then there came a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of Me, but for your sakes. NOW is the judgement of this world: NOW shall the prince of this world be cast out [of heaven]. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto Me. This He said signifying what manner of death He should die" (John 12:23,24, 27-32).

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away and come again unto you. If you love Me, ye would rejoice, because I said I go unto My Father: for My Father [being omnipresent] is greater than I [as a man]. And now I told you before it come to pass, that when it is come to pass, you might believe. Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me" (John 14:28-30).

". . .I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I [as a man] go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you. And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement: . . . Of judgement because the prince of this world is judged" ( John 16:7,8,11).

In these verses we hear Jesus refer to Satan's fall (which He had already "beheld") as something about to happen. We also see it referred to as the time in which he, "the prince of this world is judged." It was prior to His crucifixion that Jesus said, "NOW shall the prince of this world be cast out" and "the prince of this world cometh." Both phrases unquestionably announce an event about to occur, not one that already has.

The time of occurrence appears to be linked with the time of Christ's death, or as John 12:23 refers to it, the time for Jesus to be "glorified." Jesus knew the devil "hath nothing in Me" for while He was lock in time and space by His humanity, He remained in constant subjection to His Holy Infinite Spirit. Having successfully lived as a man not governed by His flesh, it was impossible for the devil to find any place to justly accuse Him. His secret? He committed Himself to the Spirit and kept His eyes on the Joy set before Him.

Four words are key to remember: "Justified, glorified, judged, and condemned." God was "justified" and therefore "glorified." The devil was "judged" and therefore "condemned." Both at the same time. Both by the same event -- the shedding of God's blood on Calvary! See John 3:16 and Acts 20:28 King James Version.

WAR IN HEAVEN

"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them," (Rev. 12: 1-12a).

Here we are told of the awesome war which occurred in heaven at Christ's ascension. The eternal, invisible, "Holy" Spirit of "the only wise God, our Saviour," having been manifested in human flesh and justified of Satan's blasphemous lies was received up unto the glory which He not only deserved, but earned! (I Timothy 1:17, 3:16)

The faithful angels, having "seen" the life and death of Christ were convinced that God deserved their love and serviced. United, they fought against Satan and forever expelled him from heaven. Yes, not only did the angels fight for God, they fought for God's people as well -- and continue to minister to us according to God's will. No longer could the devil come before the throne of God and hurl his blasphemous accusations. He and his lies were put to an open shame at the cross (Colossians 2:14,15). God's victory could not be hid or denied. By this one pinnacle event of eternity, God "made peace through the blood of His cross . . . to reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven," (Colossians.2:12-20).

But what does God's word say now to us? "WOE to the inhabitants of the earth . . . for the devil is come unto you having great wrath for he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (Rev. 12:12). Having been exposed and humiliated by his defeat, Satan knows that his days are numbered. Therefore he has sought to do as much damage through deceit as he can. Therefore he has "cast out of his mouth water as a flood [false teachings] after the woman [church], that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood," (Rev. 12:16). This is evident in the Apostle Paul's statement to the Galatians, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed [carried away] from Him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another Gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the Gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed," (1:6-8).

The Devil has great wrath against all man, especially the Church. Basically, because man was created in the image of God and God proved His love for man in the work of the cross. His only avenue of vengeance toward God to deceive and corrupt all men and attack God's Church. His cunning pursuit of opportunities to turn man against man in hatred for each other and persecute, deceive and destroy the Body of Christ is his only retaliation against God. He knows he can't defeat God, for he was cast out of heaven. His wrath since then has been repeatedly demonstrated against the church.

But let us not fear him, let us fear God and give Him glory. For just as there was no uncertainty among the heavenly angels, neither should there be among the people of God. Lest as they cast the devil out, we too should receive like condemnation. Rather, just as they fought whole heartedly for God, so let us. Since the fall of Lucifer, the anointed cherub, "the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent [or aggressive, must] take it by force" for he will oppose all who would strive to enter in (Matt. 11:12). Nevertheless, just as the angels overcame, so can we!

Friend, it is to our shame that it is so hard for us to endure a little hardship and resist a little temptation. Especially when God has prom

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Friend, it is to our shame that it is so hard for us to endure a little hardship and resist a little temptation. Especially when God has promised no temptation would be so great we could not overcome it or be given a way to escape it. WE should esteem the "reproach of Christ [YahShua] greater riches" than all the riches of the world. We should rejoice and count it all joy when we are considered worthy to suffer for His name. But do we?

Come on. Let's pick up our crosses and follow Him. Unlike YahShua, we deserve our cross. Without Him our cross would have only been to our shame, but now, today, it can be to His glory! Let's do as He says we can and "overcome the wicked one by the blood of the Lamb" and the word of our testimony. Pick up your cross! "Worthy is the Lamb which was slain to receive glory and honor and power!"

AWAKE! MAKE READY! THE BRIDEGROOM IS COMING!

Awake, you sleeper! Awake! Arise and make yourself ready! It's time to put aside those childish pursuits and your endless musing with vanities. Awake, I say! Do you not realize the time in which you are privileged to live? Now more than ever can the sound of the bridegroom's coming be heard. Surely He draws near. The need to purify yourself has grown greater, for the time allotted has grown shorter. The dark of night has already conquered the eastern horizon as the sun glow fades in the west. The king had long ago sent out His invitation. He proclaimed to all, "COME!"

Yes come. Make haste! Don't you know that if you refuse to comply with the King that His anger will be kindled against you? Yet in His longsuffering He says, "Come! Come to the greatest of all feasts! There are food and wine and much song and dance. Joyful dance to celebrate the wedding of all weddings. Come and attend My wedding."

The bridegroom has long been ready, yet He has patiently waited. He has waited for you! Arise therefore you sleeper! So much remains for you to do. TODAY you must prepare. Set aside simplicity and mature! Strive to increase your knowledge and understanding so you may be completely resolved to live your life solely for the King of kings! Rise up and cast out reservation and hesitation, these are foes have hindered and killed countless before you. Arise! Answer His call! It's your only reasonable response, and you know it.

"Awake thou that sleepest, arise from the dead, Christ [YahShua] shall give thee light. Awake to righteousness and sin not. For some [of you] have not the [intimate] knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame." (Ephesians 6:14, I Corinthians 15:34)

Live For YahShua The King!!

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I have not read the whole post. I have only read a portion of it, and, because it so closely resembles what I have heard before throughout my life, I fear that reading it completely may be too wastefully time-consuming.

Restrictions on post length cut off the end of your post. For your service, I have sought out your original post, which you ended with:

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Thank you for the reply and your sensitivity to the incompleteness of my post. It was probably my fault though in my hurried cutting and pasting (versus it being tooooo long).

Regarding your statement about only partly reading it because, as you said, "it so closely resembles what I have heard before throughout my life," I must admit somewhat surprises me.

I have had many, who have been long time professing Christians who were fairly devout in their faith openly acknowledge to me that they have never heard, or read, a progressive presentation of why Jesus endured the cross such as mine. Many believers felt it was very illuminating and have frequently ask if they could reproduce it for further distribution.

Most believers I met have never consider that God was "justified" of anything, even though it clearly says so in so in Holy Writ. Therefore, it does amaze me that you would truly be familiar with this teaching. It has not been so presented or discussed on your other thread, (I did read it in its entirety) or I would not have spent my presenting it to you here, (I don

[TempestTossed]

Blindseeker, I really do hate to disappoint you. It is not that I have heard that same exact take on Christianity once before. It is just that such things have become somewhat meaningless to me. It is exegesis. It may have significant meaning to Christians. But to me, it is bunch of speculation on things that cannot ever be observed and can never be tested. Imagine with me a moment a religion that believes that The Lord of the Rings is a metaphor-filled message from God. It is supposedly filled with perfect moral lessons, history, prophecy, and the key to eternal life. Scholars of this religion examine each word under a microscope to detect hidden shades of meaning. There are dueling factions of interpretation. The proponents of each interpretation make their arguments by over-emphasizing some words and phrases while dismissing others as hyperbole. Nothing is testable. Anything can be considered important. Anything can be considered not quite the literal truth. All words have multiple meanings. It is a maddening exercise in futility. I grew up in the church. I say it is the same-old-same-old because what you have shown me seems to be just more of the same old jargon. Christianity for centuries has occupied its most devoted followers to puzzling over the meaning of its sacred anthology. More coherant interpretations have been favored, insensible interpretations have been abandoned, scientific knowledge has forced reinterpretations over the generations of churches, and, though a plain reading of the Bible still seems to be utter nonsense, many churches have a somewhat coherent belief system. Perhaps some scholars have actually managed to tack together the hodge-podge doctrines of the Bible to form a fully non-contradictory yet sufficiently-explanatory interpretation of the Bible. If so, it doesn't matter to me any more than LotR adherents plugging up all the holes in their religion. It is all a dazzling performance in hypothesis inside a guess wrapped in red ribbons.

Here is what affects me: logic and observations of our physical world. Naturally-occuring events, processes, patterns, and systems systems exposable to human sense--things I can see with my own pair of eyes.

It doesn't matter to me if Jesus was justified in the Spirit or whatever the hell you mean. It is meaningless jargon to me. The Bible means whatever the hell you want. Justification occurs however the hell you please. Satan and the Holy Spirit operate in whatever way is convenient for explanation. Heaven and hell is any place you think it makes sense that it might be. Love is expressed in any way that you think God operates. God operates in absolutely any manner he sees fit, regardless of whether or not it makes the dryest lick of logical sense.

I am telling you this as an explanation for my lack of response. I feel guilty for not studying what you wrote. It just pains me to read it.

[BlindSeeker]

Blindseeker, I really do hate to disappoint you. It is not that I have heard that same exact take on Christianity once before. It is just that such things have become somewhat meaningless to me.

TempestTossed,

I'm no more disappointed than the farmer who just threw out seed yesterday knowing not to expect a harvest today. I sow seeds for His name sake, not necessarily yours.

Still, if it is all meaningless to you, why is it still part of your life? Why haven't you just walk away from it and just let it all go. Not that I really require an answer. But for one with your professions you sure pick a strange place to say you don't care or that it is all pointless to you.

I am telling you this as an explanation for my lack of response. I feel guilty for not studying what you wrote. It just pains me to read it.

Then, please, feel no further obligation to read it. I meant you no added pain. I only sought to help you with what you already had.

Peace,

BlindSeeker

[Fiosh]

Why do you use the name "Tempest Tossed" ?

[TempestTossed]

Why do you use the name "Tempest Tossed" ?

It is from Edgar Allen Poe's famous poem, "The Raven." One part of it reads,

"Prophet!" said I, "Thing of evil! Prophet still if bird or devil,

Whether tempter sent or whether tempest tossed thee from the shore."

It is descriptive of my character to say that I am tempest tossed rather than tempter sent. I deliver bad news, but not for any evil purpose.

[eagleswings]

Wow, once again blindseeker what a gift the Lord has given you for the body of Christ, a gift of explaining complicated things yet, you make it simple..... i pray and hope many will read your posts and come to the Understanding of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour..... hope you will post more soon as i will be waiting to read your posts..................

[BlindSeeker]

Thank you for such gracious words Eaglewings. I hope time to continues to permit my participation here.

Peace to you and yours.

[Old Timer]

BlindSeeker, I have just finished all of your post. Excellent! Thank you. I will save the file and read it again I am sure. I have always thought the woman in Rev. 12 was Israel, not the Church but I will compare the scriptures again. Would the