Are GODS ELECT truly those REJECTING Him today?

[DeighAnn]

Let's say TOMORROW was the day that

ALL THE WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE of GOD in living form 'disappeared' from off the earth to keep those who had received it from the hour

That would mean the covenant 'for one week with many' had issued forth from God, and the war in heaven would soon be wrapping up and within 3 1/2 of our years of that, the beast system will have come to power, followed by the deadly wound and the WOE to the earth would be coming in the form of Satan and the untimely figs cast to earth 


NOW, HERE on earth, the world goes into complete chaos and the big scramble for world power goes into action when the 10 horns rise up, taking control, while THOSE WHO REJECTED all things GOD, now having NOW SEEN 'the church' disappear, have 3 1/2 years to Completely  LEARN THE BIBLE and complete preparations with no help from another living soul. 

You can bet that all 'electricity, transportation, monetary supply' would have gone down and when it came back up, NOTHING would be the same.  Surely information found or not found on the internet wouldn't be the same as 'the beast' wouldn't be allowing ANYTHING GODLY to go out (not to mention NO GODLY PEOPLE around to send anything out)  and if it did it, it would only serve as a roll call for those who will be opposing the worship of the image, so no one would be going about getting knowledge that way.  

So where do these now scared into 'faith' rejecters of Christ, NOW GODS ELECT go?  How many people, with the world in complete chaos, are going to be SEEKING the wisdom and knowledge of God at that time?  How many will be able to 'come to knowledge' in 3 1/2 years WHILE at the same time having prepared for 3 1/2 years 'no shopping'?  


How many of US, who willingly come to faith

can say

in those kinds of days, in a world THAT has lost ALL BELIEVERS AT ONCE, a world in total chaos that FOR SURE will take more than just a while (look how long covid interfered) to get anywhere near a new normal, that

WITHIN 3 1/2 YEARS of that moment, go from knowing nothing,

TO LEARNING enough bible

to being prepared with enough food and water and everything else needed to not buy and sell before the image is set up?  


AGAIN, in 3 1/2 years to go from NOTHING to FULL KNOWLEDGE AND A 3 1/2 year STASH, in a world that has NO FARMERS and NO TEACHERS OF GODS WORD?  


I am wondering HOW MANY of GODS PEOPLE TODAY could ACCOMPLISH what they are saying those 'left behind' will face JUST IN THE PREP STAGE? ... 

not to mention IF they do get to that point before the image is set up, they do so only to face 'a tribulation' PTRD BELIEVERS say is TOO GREAT for the 'church' to go through.  

 I sure would like to hear if there is anything written for those guys or if it is just more of 'nothing written' speaking to that situation either.    With so much not written about the before or the after, MAYBE there is something written for the during.

Does it seem to anyone else that THOSE WHO REJECT are actually the ELECT,

BUT that just can't be Gods Truth?  


How many TODAY could, withing the next 3 1/2 years, get completely prepared so they could make it through the following 3 1/2 years not buying and selling?  

How many people do you know who could LEARN THE BIBLE NOT HAVING A SOUL TO SPEAK TO concerning it? AND in 3 1/2 years have learned all there is to know to not be deceived AND also to have prepared for not buying and selling for the rest of their lives?  

BECAUSE that is a part of the PTRD.   And if anyone is counting on 'being gone', instead of getting the extra oil now....might want to give that some more thought... better safe than sorry....ESPECIALLY when everyone knows there are STRONG DELUSIONS running around....

 

[Selah7]

Good thing it will never happen this way.

[Neighbor]

Guess that is the long and short of it. LOL

[Selah7]

The Elect will never ever reject their Shepherd. 

[Shilohsfoal]

The elect don't need 3.5 years to get ready for 3.5 years.They just need to work the 3.5 years they can't buy and sell.What Jesus needed for his 3.5 years was provided at the Jordan river.

Mathew 10

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⁵ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

⁶But go rather to the lot sheep of the house of israel.

⁷ And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

⁸ Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

⁹ Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

¹⁰ Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

Edited April 29, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Diaste]

13 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Does it seem to anyone else that THOSE WHO REJECT are actually the ELECT,

It's not possible, imo.

I have made the same argument in the past and Pretrib has an excuse to cover this.

Bibles will still be here. People who have heard the Gospel but didn't believe, will now believe. There will be widespread, sudden attack of morality and belief and trust in God and Jesus Christ, in the same people who previously rejected the Gospel. I guess that isn't out of the question as it is the way of the Gospel. Maybe not so much, or not at all, in the environment where all the believers had to be removed. 

Believers were removed before the flood, no one else was saved.

Believers were removed before Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, no one else was saved.

But now believers are going to be removed before the end of the world, and then millions and millions will be saved?

Doesn't seem to align, does it?

 

[Neighbor]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

Believers were removed before the flood, no one else was saved.

Believers were removed before Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, no one else was saved.

But now believers are going to be removed before the end of the world, and then millions and millions will be saved?

Doesn't seem to align, does it?

 

Hi, Align?

As I recall reading, at least eight were saved from the flood the great flood. Perhaps several billions were not.

 From Sodom, Lot and at least two daughters were saved, out from God's wrath over Sodom and Gomorah.

Of the millions that fled Egypt  with Moses at command under God that then regretted their new freedom's responsibility of  obedience of God, none were allowed entry into the promised land except, what was it two? Yet there were many born during that great sojourn within  a small desert and they did enter,  did they not?

As to millions and millions being saved out from a great tribulation to come; yes evidently so, what with 144,000 salesmen under guidance and command of God all from the 12 tribes of the greatest sales people on earth. Why not millions, many millions even billions? All  a matter of scale.

At the end all is going to burn, and there will be a new heaven, a new earth, a new Jerusalem. Does it really matter a wit what any of us think might be the sequence of events to come? They are going to come regardless.

Individual security, hope certain, is that God has foreknown and predestined  those that will be saved out from his wrath. That security is through the willing sacrifice made by Jesus for those given to him by his father. He loses not a one. The Holy Spirit calls each that are to be saved out from God's wrath (against sin) to turn about and see, see that Jesus is Lord, God,  and personal savior. 

Praise God  his mercy from everlasting to everlasting. 

 

[Neighbor]

As for myself I will trust today to my creator  and will not worry about any tomorrows for my creator has made me secure:

“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?  Which of you by worrying can add one[j]cubit to his stature?

 So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin;  and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’  For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.  But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble."

Sufficient for today is it's own trouble, don't need tomorrow's today. Never borrow trouble, the interest rate is way too steep. It costs today's pleasure and puts a dark cloud over tomorrow, and tomorrow's tomorrow, ad infinitum; making one rather hapless and hopeless, all before the present day's end.

 

 

[FJK]

6 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

At the end all is going to burn, and there will be a new heaven, a new earth, a new Jerusalem. Does it really matter a wit what any of us think might be the sequence of events to come? They are going to come regardless.

Sorta brings to mind Martin Luther's apple tree.

Every day of our lives should be lived as if that is all there is to live with no concern for future events that we may or may not see, sufficient to the day is the evil of the day.

[Neighbor]

1 minute ago, FJK said:

Sorta brings to mind Martin Luther's apple tree.

Every day of our lives should be lived as if that is all there is to live with no concern for future events that we may or may not see, sufficient to the day is the evil of the day.

Absolutely! as that popular word of today  exclaims.

Odd that any of us might look at those that were instructed  to be  gathering manna each day  for that day that tried to gather for days ahead other than for  the one day of rest. Their efforts not in compliance with God's instruction were wasted efforts.

Now if God says there is a famine coming, store grain for seven years use by all your  people, well okay.  But hoarding for me buckets of dehydrated food packs guaranteed to be good eating for up to twenty five years from now? Don't think so! I just haven't been called to do so by God.

 Plus, I figure the problem with dehydrated food packs will be having potable water come time to utilize them. The need of water will be greater than the need of food stuffs.