LiveWire Posted May 2, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 392 Content Per Day: 1.01 Reputation: 139 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/06/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted May 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: 7 year tribulation is not even biblical. Daniel 7:25 He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time. The saints are given into his hand for 3.5 years.Not 1,2,4 or 7. A time=1 +Times=2 +Half a time=1/2 =3 1/2 years. Also, this takes place almost "after" one of these 2 time periods are mentioned ends. So, You would be alive today, and if Trib began tomorrow, you would not know it. It would be just another day like in the days of Lot and Noah. But notice your Verse: "Saints," the Jews, the 144k, the Great Multitude of All Nations and Tongues. < that is After First Time Period mentioned where WE will be Rapture'd at around year 2, but we still will not know We're even in the Final Tribulation and 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 2, 2023 3 hours ago, LiveWire said: Agreed, but the times are typically added together to create a week. That makes no sense at all. Why would you make a lie by adding the time period together,? Why not just believe the truth? Daniel 7:25 He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time. The saints are given into his hand for 3.5 years.Not 1,2,4 or 7. A time=1 +Times=2 +Half a time=1/2 =3 1/2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 2, 2023 2 hours ago, LiveWire said: Also, this takes place almost "after" one of these 2 time periods are mentioned ends. So, You would be alive today, and if Trib began tomorrow, you would not know it. It would be just another day like in the days of Lot and Noah. But notice your Verse: "Saints," the Jews, the 144k, the Great Multitude of All Nations and Tongues. < that is After First Time Period mentioned where WE will be Rapture'd at around year 2, but we still will not know We're even in the Final Tribulation and 7 years. I know when the tribulation starts and ends by scripture.There are no two time periods.Just 3.5 years and that is all. Daniel 7:25 He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time. The saints are given into his hand for 3.5 years.Not 1,2,4 or 7. A time=1 +Times=2 +Half a time=1/2 =3 1/2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 2, 2023 8 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: You believe the tribulation saints that Jesus said will be persecuted in the cities of Israel are not in Israel? 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. If they live in Israel they Will run when they see the AOD in Jerusalem as angel Gabriel Will lead them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: The reason the tribulation saints don't flee into the wilderness with the woman is because Jesus commanded them to stay in Israel and preach to the lost sheep of Israel until he comes. commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, 10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. 11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. 12 And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Wrong. The woman flee to Wilderness to escape the dragon at the end of Times. Edited May 2, 2023 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, R. Hartono said: If they live in Israel they Will run when they see the AOD in Jerusalem as angel Gabriel Will lead them. No,the tribulation saints in Israel don't flee when they see the AOD. They only stand up and raise their heads. Luke 21:28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” You need to understand,they will pass through the fire. They need not flee anywhere. Edited May 3, 2023 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 58 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: Wrong. The woman flee to Wilderness to escape the dragon at the end of Times. The woman flees and she does not suffer.She is cared for and nourished during the tribulation. The tribulation saints don't flee to the wilderness.They remain with the serpent. Do I need to quote the scripture for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said: The woman flees and she does not suffer.She is cared for and nourished during the tribulation. The tribulation saints don't flee to the wilderness.They remain with the serpent. Do I need to quote the scripture for you? You are free to believe your story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted May 3, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, R. Hartono said: You are free to believe your story. It's not my story.Its in revelation 12. You should take a look sometime. The woman flees to the wilderness. Those who keep the comments of God do not. They remain with the serpent within his reach for a time,times and a half. Revelation 12 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Edited May 3, 2023 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tatwo Posted May 6, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 572 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 123 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/18/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted May 6, 2023 On 5/1/2023 at 8:01 PM, Shilohsfoal said: In revelation 12 we see the woman flee into the wilderness where she is out of the serpents reach and the earth helps the woman. The woman is "false religion" known as the "church" she began early in the first century and was then adorned in glory..."sun, moon, stars" all symbolic...as time goes by...her "original glory" fades....and as she "escapes into the wilderness" she looses her adornment...she given the wings of an eagle. Again this "eagle wings" is very symbolic and seen throughout the scriptures...it is a prophetic picture of God helping her...only for a bit longer...why? The only reason God helps her in the first place...and this help is only for a time...is because there is likely yet something "in her" that is His. Follow her through the rest of Revelation to see who she ultimately is...she did just "give birth" to the corporate Son of God...aka Christ Head and Body. Yes think about that...the "earth helped" the woman..."water from the dragon's mouth" obviously that is symbolic...what was the "water" that poured from the dragon's mouth...the dragon being Satan? The "earth opens its mouth" again a symbolic clue...what is the "earths mouth?" Tatwo...:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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