God in Hell

[ice--eyes]

Perhaps the answer to your confusion lies not in understanding

[BlindSeeker]

I beleive, like Jesus went to the spirits in prison . . .

Mark,

Will you expound on why you believe this beyond just citing I Peter 3:19? Are there other scriptural confirmations of this event? Was it different back then for them than it is for those to whom Heb 9:27 applies?

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"

Will Jesus go (again?) and preach to those who were sent there since then? Will they have the same oportunity afforded them?

BlindSeeker

[abbershay]

listen to http://www.fireonthealtar.com/sermons/23/2...20in%20Hell.ZIP

This fellow went there

[bgoalie35]

Psalm 139:1-8 (emphasis added)

"O LORD, thou hast searched me and known me!

Thou knowest when I sit down and when I rise up; thou discernest my thoughts from afar.

Thou searchest out my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.

Even before a word is on my tongue, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.

Thou dost beset me behind and before, and layest thy hand upon me.

Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain it.

Whither shall I go from thy Spirit? Or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

If I ascend to heaven, thou art there! If I make my bed in Sheol, thou art there! "

Given the context of verse 8 (bolded), I don't think it's rational to assume that David is claiming that God is in hell. David here is basically saying, "I cannot escape you."

However, I think it's perfectly logical to believe that God is literally everywhere, which would mean He's in Sheol too! For God to not be able to dwell in Sheol would imply that He cannot dwell there, and therefore He would cease to be omnipotent.

I have to disagree here (although I really like WSB's answer, just a personal opinion/preference). First of all, and please correct me if I'm wrong because I am not certain of this, I believe Sheol is the Hebrew word for the grave, not hell. It just simply means dead and buried in the ground with no afterlife context. Am I wrong?

Also, I agree you could not believe in an omnipotent God who cannot dwell in hell. However, He may choose not to dwell there. I have heard some people argue this is how we have free will. God chooses to remove himself from our presence, thus allowing us to sin and rebel from Him.

[yomotalking]

I will say what I have always said: Since the Lord Jesus Himself went there, even hell cannot be a place utterly devoid of hope......

I agree, I have always thought this too.

Hell has no hope.

If there was, then it would not be hell.

[BlindSeeker]

I think there is a lot to learn from the following verses on the matter.

De 23:12 Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad:

13 And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee

I was actually trying to do a little fishing here to see if I could get some bites with this verse . . .

Doesn't it seem strange that such a subject would be address in the Word of God?

To me . . . this verse is truly relevant to the topic at hand.

[BlindSeeker]

the gospels record a couple events that add to this case.

concerning the spirits in prison Jesus went to, these are the souls who lived before Jesus' death, that werent resurrected the day he died. they are the unsaved sheol souls of the "TANAKH(OT)". the Gospel account of Abrahams bosom, and the OT scriptures concerning the grave/sheol----(jewish concordance is needed to understand the "grave").

the souls that were not in prison, but attached to Abraham---resurrected the day the curtain/veil tore in half, but did not appear to anyone until Jesus resurrected himself.

Thanks for the reply Mark.

However, maybe its me but it seems as if you just contradicted yourself . . .

concerning the spirits in prison Jesus went to, these are the souls who lived before Jesus' death . . .

the souls that were not in prison, but attached to Abraham---resurrected the day the curtain/veil tore in half . . .

Are you saying Jesus went and preached to those who were in

[ice--eyes]

I will say what I have always said: Since the Lord Jesus Himself went there, even hell cannot be a place utterly devoid of hope......

I agree, I have always thought this too.

Hell has no hope.

If there was, then it would not be hell.

define hope though....

[BlindSeeker]

based on hebrews 11, the saints of the Tanakh died, by faith in him. He didnt need to preach to them, cause they beleived God, and it was accounted to them as righteousness.

his preaching----wasnt to PRESENT THE GOSPEL---the reason they are in prison is because they DIDNT HAVE FAITH in God the way those attached to Abrahams bosom did.

its no different today. One dies in Faith, or dies eternally separated.

his preaching to the spirits in prison was to CONVICT THEIR HEARTS AND LIVES.

they still await the GWT---which is the 2nd resurrection, and the 2ND DEATH, the Lake of Fire.

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison.

1.) Why would Jesus have to go and preach to the disobedient in their prison to convict them?

2.) Doesn

[BlindSeeker]

it is appointed once, for man to die.

Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

6.) Are you insinuating that verse 28 is saying that Christ