The Apocalypse may not happen the way men see it.

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

No. Not in this scenario of great tribulation and wrath at the end of the age which, "has never been nor will be again".

I don't see that the scriptures equate great tribulation with the wrath of God and the Lamb. The great tribulation is testing. Once the test has reached the critical point it's ended by Jesus arrival, believers are taken in the harpazo, and wrath begins. 

Wrath is the action to put down the enemies of God after great tribulation is ended.

Yes, I have read this in Ezekiel. I don't know enough about it to know when it was supposed to come to pass, or if it did. I assume it did. I see no end of the age clues in the passage. 

Oh ,I see you believe persecution is the great tribulation.This is not the same thing.

The persecution of the saints begins in Israel when the son of perdition places his armed forces in Israel.(This is the second beast of revelation 13.)This persecution can be seen in Daniel 11 :33

This persecution starts soon after the daily sacrifice is abolished.

Daniel 11:33-35

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

 

Now the time of great tribulation which is the time of God's wrath is 1290 after the daily sacrifice is abolished.1290 days after the daily sacrifice is abolished ,the abomination that causes desolation is placed and the time of great tribulation which it causes.The time of great tribulation is at the time of the end which Daniel recorded the time of great tribulation in Daniel 12:1-2 when the resurrection takes place.

Daniel 12:1-2

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

 

 

 

So you see in Daniel 12:1 ,Daniel records"there shall be a time of tribulation,such tribulation as has not been from the time there was a nation of the earth until that time."This will be the end of the tribulation(persecution )of the saints and the time of great tribulation (God's wrath) upon the unbelievers.

As you can see in Daniel 12:1,Those who's names are written are delivered out of the great tribulation at that time.

 

 

 

PS

Concerning Christs coming and our gathering to him.

 

The son of perdition,whom Paul said would be destroyed at Christ coming ,dies in Daniel 11:45 at the beginning of the great tribulation.

Daniel 11:45

And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Shilohsfoal