The natural mind vs. the Spiritual mind

[Vine Abider]

7 minutes ago, farouk said:

@Vine Abider Excellent post. This is sadly typical of a Fundamentalist mindset among those who may agree that they are not under the OT law but who have promptly created their own list of rigid rules which they then proceed to try to impose on everyone else.

There is really no value to this outward way of preaching scripture, at least in my opinion. You can get a form of godliness though doing the outward, but it has no power to transform a person - that has to come from the indwelling Spirit.  Period.

At best, maybe a few principles to help one turn to the Lord to let His life live in and through us . . .

[JimmyB]

21 hours ago, Tony the student said:

Something one might want to consider. How do we teach children? Father's words and Christ's words must be taught to every generation of believers. Upon hearing the words of God, the Spirit of Father God and Jesus Christ can reveal Himself to the inner man.

Life on earth does not exist without rules. It is the Way we use the rules and the Law that makes the difference. The Law is good if used properly. This is stated plainly in the New Testament.

God taught Abraham faith without the law. God gave Jacob's descendants the Laws of God and not the laws of men. God expected faith and obedience. He got neither one from most of Jacob's descendants.

Christians are meant to reveal their faith to the Jewish people outside of and not under the Law. Jewish people give us Father's Way of Life, which includes laws, temple worship, etc. Christians are supposed to accept Faith leading to Obedience. Obedience is learned in the Law.

Teach the Law to every generation. That generation will decide to obey or disobey God. However, Faith and Obedience to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is what please God.

While I basically agree with you, you are wrong about the Jewish people. 

Jewish people gave us a lot more than the Father's Way of Life, which includes laws, temple worship, etc.   Jesus was a Jew, as were all the apostles (including Paul), all the members of the first churches, and all the authors of the Bible (with one exception: Luke).  Without the Jews there would be no Christianity!

Now if you are referring to Judaism, that is an entirely different matter.  One is a person, the other is a religion.

[Anne2]

2 hours ago, farouk said:

@Vine Abider Excellent post. This is sadly typical of a Fundamentalist mindset among those who may agree that they are not under the OT law but who have promptly created their own list of rigid rules which they then proceed to try to impose on everyone else.

Thought provoking, but....there is the conscience of others we should not defile. A valid point. I am just not sure this point is so much an issue anymore. Certainly I believe more leeway for discussion concerning that in this case should be a given, as opposed to a command/demand. While this issue may not have reached the point where it has with our clothing. JKeeping in mind, pants were at one time considered strictly a mans clothing, and dresses, strictly womens clothing. Who would think to uphold scriptural edicts against those things to day? Islam?

Edited June 14, 2023 by Anne2

[Anne2]

3 minutes ago, Tony the student said:

If you knew the Old Testament, then you would know the answer to your own question.

Why is it lawless behavior, sin, for women to look and dress like a man and men to dress and look like a woman? They are deceiving others with their behavior.

Why did Timothy tell women to dress modestly in church? So that they would be acting in love to their fathers and brothers and husbands. Clothe yourself with noble character. When you cover your flesh, you are acting in love because, hopefully, men will not then lust only after your flesh. Covering your flesh reduces man's temptation regarding the female body, form, and lust of the flesh.

This same doctrine applies to men also.

Perhaps, but I suspect it was more than that. Expressing their attitude of the sense of what their role was. Woman being subject to her own self, instead of her husband and vice versa.

[Vine Abider]

34 minutes ago, Tony the student said:

Outward way of preaching scripture? If I read aloud from the Holy Bible, whose words do I use? When you speak from Holy Scripture, whose words do you rely upon to lead you in the Spirit? The voice of God can be heard in voice inflection, tone, and intent and in Truth.

Do not believe me. That is totally up to you. The LORD will be your judge; I am no one's judge. I am only a slave to Father God and a servant of His Son, Jesus. You have abolished the Ten Commandments and are now sitting in judgment upon Father God's Laws.

Remember, you are not under the law. However, where is your physical and mental location in regard to the Law. Do you sit on it? Or are you above the Law? Or are you smack dab in the middle with others who stand up for the innocent and the widow and the orphan?

Christ taught me to uphold the Law. This is plainly seen in Scripture.

The word of God is the sword of God. One can use it just like Jesus taught us to obey His Father and speak truth to power, which requires a baseline set of rules and good behavior and strength and courage.

Thankfully, however, since the law is no more, sin no longer exists. Enjoy.

Okay.  I responded in more detail on the other thread you started. So to sum up, here's a question that may clarify things: Is it accurate to say that following the law aids Christ in His transforming work in us?

[Vine Abider]

34 minutes ago, Tony the student said:

Anyhow, do not act like them. Let your righteousness be greater than the Pharisees.

Amen - and the only way to do that is through the only One who fully lived the 10 commandments, and also surpassed them because He lived in the full reality of them in His heart (not just outwardly).

The Christian life is impossible to live without this same One living through us.  Agreed?