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[apothanein kerdos]

How is it a false perception? Any excess spending of money is greedy and lack of self-control...whether done via credit cards or cash.

You people slay me. Do you own an old car? Do you have kids to feed? Do you pay 3000 dollars a year for oil heating.

I had no Idea that feeding my kids is an act of greed. I had no idea that keeping my house at 65 degrees in he winter was an act of greed. I had no idea that keeping my car on the road was an act of greed. you better take your high and mighty attitudes and exchange them for some good sense. You shouldn't be judgeing people until you've walked a mile in their shoes.

Don't even try with me. Trust me, some people on this board would dream to be in such a situation. Fact remains, I have not turned to credit cards to solve the problems.

[ruah brit]

Here is some more missuse of scripture for you.

15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers' money and overturned the tables.

16 And He said to those who sold doves, "Take these things away! Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!"

17 Then His disciples remembered that it was written, "Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up

[apothanein kerdos]

Here is some more missuse of scripture for you.

15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers' money and overturned the tables.

16 And He said to those who sold doves, "Take these things away! Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!"

17 Then His disciples remembered that it was written, "Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up

Well at least you recognized you misused them. Thank God you realize that was talking about people selling for profit in the church and how that's irrelavent to the topic at hand as we are talking about willingly giving.

[Gerioke]

How is it a false perception? Any excess spending of money is greedy and lack of self-control...whether done via credit cards or cash.

You people slay me. Do you own an old car? Do you have kids to feed? Do you pay 3000 dollars a year for oil heating.

I had no Idea that feeding my kids is an act of greed. I had no idea that keeping my house at 65 degrees in he winter was an act of greed. I had no idea that keeping my car on the road was an act of greed. you better take your high and mighty attitudes and exchange them for some good sense. You shouldn't be judgeing people until you've walked a mile in their shoes.

Don't even try with me. Trust me, some people on this board would dream to be in such a situation. Fact remains, I have not turned to credit cards to solve the problems.

Lucky you.

[apothanein kerdos]

How is it a false perception? Any excess spending of money is greedy and lack of self-control...whether done via credit cards or cash.

You people slay me. Do you own an old car? Do you have kids to feed? Do you pay 3000 dollars a year for oil heating.

I had no Idea that feeding my kids is an act of greed. I had no idea that keeping my house at 65 degrees in he winter was an act of greed. I had no idea that keeping my car on the road was an act of greed. you better take your high and mighty attitudes and exchange them for some good sense. You shouldn't be judgeing people until you've walked a mile in their shoes.

Don't even try with me. Trust me, some people on this board would dream to be in such a situation. Fact remains, I have not turned to credit cards to solve the problems.

Lucky you.

But you're missing the point. Too often people turn to them as a quick fix...that is greed, impatience, and a spirit that doesn't want to rely on God. Doesn't make you a bad person, just makes you human that made a mistake. At the same time, it doesn't mean all credit cards are bad.

[ruah brit]

Here is some more missuse of scripture for you.

15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers' money and overturned the tables.

16 And He said to those who sold doves, "Take these things away! Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!"

17 Then His disciples remembered that it was written, "Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up

Well at least you recognized you misused them. Thank God you realize that was talking about people selling for profit in the church and how that's irrelavent to the topic at hand as we are talking about willingly giving.

willingly giving? Then I doubt that these scriptures will mean anything to you on that subject.

De 32

9 For the Lord's portion is His people;

Mt 22

21 He said to them, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

Denise

[apothanein kerdos]

Here is some more missuse of scripture for you.

15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers' money and overturned the tables.

16 And He said to those who sold doves, "Take these things away! Do not make My Father's house a house of merchandise!"

17 Then His disciples remembered that it was written, "Zeal for Your house has eaten Me up

Well at least you recognized you misused them. Thank God you realize that was talking about people selling for profit in the church and how that's irrelavent to the topic at hand as we are talking about willingly giving.

willingly giving? Then I doubt that these scriptures will mean anything to you on that subject.

De 32

9 For the Lord's portion is His people;

Mt 22

21 He said to them, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

Denise

I do fail to see how they relate to the topic at hand.

Of course, when scripture is taken out of context, it is hard to see how it relates to anything.

[Gerioke]

How is it a false perception? Any excess spending of money is greedy and lack of self-control...whether done via credit cards or cash.

You people slay me. Do you own an old car? Do you have kids to feed? Do you pay 3000 dollars a year for oil heating.

I had no Idea that feeding my kids is an act of greed. I had no idea that keeping my house at 65 degrees in he winter was an act of greed. I had no idea that keeping my car on the road was an act of greed. you better take your high and mighty attitudes and exchange them for some good sense. You shouldn't be judging people until you've walked a mile in their shoes.

Don't even try with me. Trust me, some people on this board would dream to be in such a situation. Fact remains, I have not turned to credit cards to solve the problems.

Lucky you.

But you're missing the point. Too often people turn to them as a quick fix...that is greed, impatience, and a spirit that doesn't want to rely on God. Doesn't make you a bad person, just makes you human that made a mistake. At the same time, it doesn't mean all credit cards are bad.

I turned to them out of necessity. You don't live where I live. You don't have my background. You don't know me as a person. All I am to you is a bunch of bothersome black letters on a message board. If you saw the way I lived and knew the code of ethics I live by, you would understand that I am not a greed driven person. I do however, have some desire to survive.

Credit card debt will be a great hinderance to christians come the day of the mark. If I'm not mistaken, part of the deal will be , in exchange for the mark your debt is wiped out. Anyone who owns a home or small business is likely going to have more credit card debt than cash.

[Guest yod]

this whole discussion is just whack

[Kabowd]

I turned to them out of necessity. You don't live where I live. You don't have my background. You don't know me as a person. All I am to you is a bunch of bothersome black letters on a message board. If you saw the way I lived and knew the code of ethics I live by, you would understand that I am not a greed driven person. I do however, have some desire to survive.

You know, I'm not sure why you've turned this discussion into being about you (other than you seem to do that alot). And I'm not sure how I got sucked into arguing with you about it but it's pointless. Whine all you want about us judging you but the fact remains, you alone are the one who revealed your predicament. You alone brought your personal experience into the discussion. If you don't want us to discuss it, I'd suggest not mentioning it next time. If you handle money anything like you handle discussions, then I think we all have a pretty good idea of how well that goes anyway.

Blame the credit cards all you want, but that's about as accurate as a gunman blaming his gun. Ever heard the slogan "Guns don't kill people. People kill People"? Translate that to this topic and you might get the jist of what we are trying to say. Credit Cards don't cause debt. People cause debt. Credit cards aren't evil. The way people use them can be evil. But on the flip side you're neglecting to realize they can be used for good and be a great benefit...when in the hands of someone who is responsible. Responsibility is the key here.

Credit card debt will be a great hinderance to christians come the day of the mark. If I'm not mistaken, part of the deal will be , in exchange for the mark your debt is wiped out.

Ahhh...so now they're not only "enticing" and "potential evil"..now they preclude the Mark of the Beast? Oi. Even if what you're saying were true, it would only mean that we should avoid getting into debt...which is kind of a "duh" statement to begin with. No one is advocating that ANYTHING should be used irresponsibly or to incur massive, unnecessary debt. Thus, this is a moot point in this discussion.

Anyone who owns a home or small business is likely going to have more credit card debt than cash.

Huh?

Are you saying: A) anyone who owns a home has more credit card debt than cash debt? or B) anyone who owns a home has more credit card debt than cashflow? What is your point? Either way, even if the majority of people are irresponsible with their money this does not mean it's "okay". Borrowing money that you have no way of paying back is just plain foolish, no matter how you do it.